Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,423 Year: 3,680/9,624 Month: 551/974 Week: 164/276 Day: 4/34 Hour: 0/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   What has evolution theory produced?
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1488 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 20 of 32 (73901)
12-17-2003 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by John Paul
12-17-2003 8:54 PM


Darwin may have been a creationist at one time. However theories on evolution have been around for thousands of years.
That may be. But it's only the modern theory that is of importance because that's the theory supported by observation and fossil evidence.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 19 by John Paul, posted 12-17-2003 8:54 PM John Paul has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 21 by John Paul, posted 12-17-2003 9:08 PM crashfrog has not replied

  
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1488 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 22 of 32 (73903)
12-17-2003 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by John Paul
12-17-2003 8:52 PM


Lions & tigers are allegedly different species however they can breed and produce fertile offspring.
From "Detailed information on hybridization in big cats:"
quote:
No fertile male ligers have yet been found and it is assumed all are sterile. This is not the case with females and a 15-year-old ligeress at Munich Zoo produced a li-liger after mating with a lion.
So you're only half-right. It's impossible to have a breeding population of ligers, therefore lions and tigers are different species under the Biological Concept of Species.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 18 by John Paul, posted 12-17-2003 8:52 PM John Paul has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 24 by John Paul, posted 12-17-2003 11:16 PM crashfrog has replied

  
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1488 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 26 of 32 (73942)
12-17-2003 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by John Paul
12-17-2003 11:16 PM


Some humans are sterile- does that make them a different species?
You don't know what the Biological Concept of Species is, do you? Why didn't you just say so instead of looking like an idiot?
no one can say we can't have a breeding population of ligers.
Well, we don't have one now. We've never seen one. Again, this is you making the positive claim. If you think that a population of ligers that breeds true exists, then it's up to you to prove it.
Me, I'm content with the fact that the biological species concept matches the folk species concept in the case of lions and tigers. A blurring of the species lines does absolutely no good for your position, you know. The more you remove species boundaries the closer you get to a common ancestor for all life. But, dig your own hole. I'm happy to sell you the shovel...

This message is a reply to:
 Message 24 by John Paul, posted 12-17-2003 11:16 PM John Paul has not replied

  
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1488 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 27 of 32 (73944)
12-17-2003 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by John Paul
12-17-2003 11:18 PM


They are not indicative of a metazoan.
No, but it's a half-step. What's with you? When you ask for half-steps, you complain that they're not full steps. When you get a full-step, you wonder where the half-step is.
I suggest you start thinking a little clearer about what you want before you ask for evidence. That creaking sound you hear in the background is you moving the goalposts time and time again.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 25 by John Paul, posted 12-17-2003 11:18 PM John Paul has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024