polonium halos

You did not respond to these points, etc... right? If you could deal with these points you could likely get your rebutal published in a peer reviewed journal. right?P.S.When elements decay from a single point halos of different size form. If radon was decaying producing a polonium halo you'd have another halo ring of a different size formed. Radon is not evident alongside a polonium halo because its too mobile to decay in a single point. Its absense prove proves Gentry's polonium is primordial no parent, etc... However talk origins is a pseudo science site all double talk (no substance). right?++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++If the Radon did gather to a single "positively charged" location and did decade into Po-218; the alpha particle emitted by Radon-222 (when it decades to Po-218) would have form an extra ring in the halosAlthough Rason-222 is initially negatively charged (because Radiun-226 emitted 2 positive protons away when it decaded into Radon-222), the Radon-222 will lose the extra (2) electrons when it collides with other molecules. Especially if the negatively charged Radon-222 is "directed towards a positively charged" location - Radon-222 will shet its electrons.After shedding the excess electrons, the radon gas is neutral and diffusion will make the radon gas go in every possble direction and will not "gather" at a negatively charged spot.Bottomline: radon gas will not accummulate in a single spot - and without high concentration of Po-218 in a single spot, you don't get halos (the discoloration will only happen by billions of Po-218 decades concentrated in a single spot - without high concentration, it will be a undetectable smear) Study Pages Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

YOur source seems to be talking about water causing a depositing of polonium as a solid out of solution as radon decays. This too is what Andrew Snelling seems to be saying about accelerated decay and biotite flakes polonium halos. A problem in granite is over long periods of time your cracks would seal due mineralization. right? If water is your means of moving billions of radon decays to a common location. right? but wouldn't mineralization seal the pathway over a long earth point of view defeat this theory that polonium halos happened due radon dissolved. It just sounds like a strawman too me! No wonder Gentry did not respond its the kind of stuff you would expect coming from someone citing a pseudo site like talk origins as a reference. right?+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++At the surface, Gentry’s interpretation seems compelling. His halos do not have the additional rings found in complete uranium-238 halos, as shown in Figure 2. Measurements show the rings have radii indicative of certain polonium isotopes. There is no evidence of uranium at the halo center. According to Gentry, there are no means for polonium to be inserted into the granite after cooling. If everything Gentry claims is true then the earth had to cool in about three minutes, the half-life of Po218, the first ring to form. Longer cooling periods, especially the millions of years science suggests, would deplete the polonium long before halos could form in the hardened rock. Even the most commited atheist couldn’t explain a 3 minute cooling time without invoking a creator.With further investigation however, Gentry’s interpretation is obviously flawed. The first attempts to dispute his assertions, though on the right track, fell short and were easily dismissed by Gentry. They included hydrothermal injection of polonium (York 1979), uranium release during weathering (Meier 1976), and varients of uranium halos (Moazed 1973). All of these theories and others were put fourth during the 1970s and early 1980s7.The Newsletter of The North Texas SkepticsAt the temperatures of these metamorphic processes such water would become hydrothermal fluids capable of transporting any U-decay products from nearby zircon grains and depositing Po in biotite flakes to form Po radiohalos.Polonium Radiohalos: The Model for Their Formation Tested and Verified | The Institute for Creation ResearchEdited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

The problem is not that radon diffuses but that were talking micropores in granite and radon as it decays to polonium it needs to precipitate in the exact center of the halo that requires billions more to form the concentric 218 ring. right?If a billion more were decaying slightly off center Gentry has it that it would not be concentric but a smudged image. right? You need long periods of time with exact points of depositions of polonium from radon decaying precipitating polonium out of solution to support your old earth. It sounds like your trying to sell snake oil. Note: Gentry has good reason to believe its Primordial polonium for one there is no evidence of uranium at the halo's center, the image is not smudged. right? With radon gas in solution its trapped within granite. right? It can only precipitate into polonium all over the place within the granite and not a precise particular point. Gentry seems to be saying this is not possible radon trapped or as a gas too mobile, etc... this is why you see no radon halo's is because they are not decaying at any particular spots within granite. right? Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Does it bother you that I believe your sources are lying to you?

According to Donald Langmuir PhD Professor Emeritus of Geochemistry if you want to protect yourself from radon gas build your entire house out of granite.Radon atoms in pore spaces and fractures are of minimal concern in the case of granite countertops.It seems the problem is radon in the soil thats getting sucked into the homes not from the granites due their extremely dense nature and resistance to chemical erosion why granites are also used in the chemical storage of highly caustic materials.I suspect due to the neutralness of radon 222 that Gentry seemed to express after it get that electron its migrating out of the granite into the soil to to the pressure issues? It would be like a fuel injector due to how mobile the radon atom is if it has an way out it will move away from a common location not toward a common location.Whatever! granite cut into countertops is safe (does not have billions of radioactive radon atoms a necessary property for your polonium halos to be not primordial) and if your concerned about protecting yourself from radon build your house out of granite. right? As far as water dissolving radon and bringing it into the grantites seems the half life of radon and the permeability of granite defeats this principle. right? It just seems due that no uranium center to Gentrys primordial polonium halos that if by your senerio radon has to move to a common location and due to the cracks in granite in a solution given radons short half life it would decay in every other spot other than a common location. I know you will believe otherwise but the creationists has sound scientific reasons to believe Gentrys primordial polonium supports an young earth. You believe an extra big crack acts as a trap to form polonium halos over long periods of time. raight?+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=To Quote Donald Langmuir, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Geochemistry, Colorado School of Mines, & President, Hydrochem Systems Corp.
"To show how laughable are the concerns of radon emitted from natural stone, the typical granite countertop in our example will release 7.4 x 10 -7 pCi/L of air. This corresponds to 2.7 x 10 -8 atom decays per second (dps). This represents 0.85 decays per year. In other words, less than one atom of radon is produced by the countertop in one year. This is hardly worth getting excited about. I would suggest that a good way to reduce our exposure to the radon present in outdoor air would be to build an air-tight house out of granite countertops! There are certain properties of rocks that can increase their radon emanation efficiency, or in other words increase the release of radon from a given weight of rock. These are rock properties that maximize the exposure of internal or external rock surfaces to water or air, allowing any radon gas to escape. The author of 'Granite and Radon' argues that such properties, which include rock porosity, fissuring and mylonitization, will increase radon releases. This is probably true, however, a granite with such properties would be too brittle to make into a countertop, and too open to take a polish, and so would not be marketable as a countertop - unless the rock pores were first filled with a chemical sealant. Such sealing would also eliminate any possible radon release problems."The testing methodology was designed to measure the amount of radon which each granite type would add to the interior of a 2,000 square foot, normally ventilated home with 8 ft ceilings. The results show that Crema Bordeaux (the most active in terms of radon emissions) would contribute a concentration component of less than 0.28 pCi/L, or less than 7% of the EPA's recommended actionable level of 4.0 pCi/L. This radon amount is well below a level which might cause health concerns. Tropic Brown and Baltic Brown, second and third in radon emanation based upon Dr. Chyi's testing, amounted to only 1% of this action level. The other granites tested added almost immeasurable amounts of radon to the house. Radon atoms in pore spaces and fractures are of minimal concern in the case of granite countertopshttp://askville.amazon.com/SimilarQuestions.do?req=EPA+co...

Did you ever think what you think is radon halos is a polonium 210 halo and the dark ring is polonium 210.Its like no uranium center and granite is not like all that dangerous you could build a house out of it and it would actually shield you from radon gas.Gentry says there are zillions of these halos. You folk also dispute that granite is supernatually formed yet you can not create granite you have to mine your granite to make countertops. Your able to create all the other like ignious rocks by cooling but not the granites. right?If you can not accumulate radon gas in a single spot your radon halo is actually instead a polonium 210 halo. right?+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Bottomline: radon gas will not accummulate in a single spot - and without high concentration of Po-218 in a single spot, you don't get halos (the discoloration will only happen by billions of Po-218 decades concentrated in a single spot - without high concentration, it will be a undetectable smear) Study Pages However, if there were other alpha decays occurring, these could not have been lower energy decays than the 210Po, otherwise smaller diameter rings would have been produced adding to the discoloration inside the 210Po ring. Such rings would have been more prominent and clearly visible as darker rings. Such smaller rings cannot be seen, thus 238U could not have been the original parent material.http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/radiohalo.aspEdited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Its all based on a common center however if some atoms were not spot on would not that give a blurred Po-210. The dark ring would be the extreme ring but granite being a crystalline rock so if these halos are formed from a porphyry crystal within granite changing its structure as they decay. Why should this not affect some halo's differently as these radioactive elements within a porphyry crystal breaks up as it restructures as it decays?++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++The word granite comes from the Latin granum, a grain, in reference to the coarse-grained structure of such a crystalline rock.Granite has a medium to coarse texture, occasionally with some individual crystals larger than the groundmass forming a rock known as porphyry.Granite - Wikipedia Perhaps its an inert gas like radon to mobile and in solution also not in one spot long enough to produce an halo! Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Its the size of the crystals that no one can replicate, imitation granite has a finer grain. right? For polonioum halos to exist without uranium centers if granite cooled slowly and not quickly you wouldn't have primordial polonium halos.It all suggests granite formed suddenly almost like the hand of God. right? Bose-Einstein condensate? like were talking primordial polonium still existing like a super cooling situation. right?Did you ever consider the planets the universe formed suddenly like from a Bose-Einstein like condensate instead of from a big bang.Space is quite cold so the elements that make up the earth might well exist in the fabric of spacetime as a B-E condensate. right? The big bang is not considered an explosion but an expansion. right? Then the condensate from our Creator expanded creating the earth you would have friction and lava forming within the earth after the condensate expanded forming the intrusive igneous rocks beneath the granites that cooled slowly evidence by igneous rocks finer crystal textures. However before the earth could heat up would not the granites of already formed? Not necessarily from lava but from a B-E condensate from the creator forming the super condensate so polonium was primordial within the granites as evidence of his creation. The very fingerprints of God, the granites.It would be interesting now that they are doing research in B-E condensates if they will finally beable to create granite; however if they do it by creating a B-E condensate it would take billions of years away believed necessary by big bangers necessary to cool the earth. right? It might drastically change the big bang theory if from a B-E condensate perspective, etc...++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Imitation Granite
Since the trial I have obtained some Kilauea-Iki lava lake specimens from the U.S. Geological Survey in Reston, Virginia. In bulk composition and mineralogy the lava specimens are olivine-rich basalt, grossly different from any granite. Dalrymple did not testify about these major differences”he only said that the texture was the same. But in examining the lava specimens, I found that there is an essential difference in the texture which Dalrymple did not mention. In the Kilauea-Iki samples the minerals have grown together in the interlocking, intergranular manner characteristic of rocks which have crystallized from a melt. The minerals in Precambrian granites also exhibit an intergranular, interlocking arrangement, and thus are texturally similar to the Kilauea-Iki specimens in this one respect. However, another aspect of texture is the size of the minerals composing the rock. The Kilauea-Iki samples are fine-grained, meaning that the different mineral grains in them are very small, often microscopic in size. The Precambrian granites, on the other hand, are generally characterized as being coarse-grained, having mineral grains large enough to be identified visually without magnification. This means the only similarity between the granites and the lava specimens is the interlocking, intergranular arrangement of the crystals making up the rocks. This characteristic can be accounted for naturally by slow cooling of the lava in the case of the Kilauea-Iki specimens”or by rapid or instantaneous cooling from a primordial liquid in the case of the granitesDalrymple's comparison of granites with the Kilauea-Iki lava specimens did not provide a scientifically valid basis for rejecting the falsification test. I do not know whether Dalrymple realized the weaknesses in making this comparison, but I do know that about midway in his response he began to address the granite synthesis challenge directly.He claims that granite synthesis is impossible”but only because of technical reasons. At first he emphasizes the monumental difficulties in trying to synthesize a hand-sized piece of granite. Then he says”unless there had been a recent breakthrough”no one had yet succeeded in synthesizing a tiny piece. After protesting at length that I had proposed an unreasonably large-sized piece of granite to synthesize, the truth emerges: experimenters have difficulties in even getting the granite synthesis reaction started.Creation's Tiny Mystery, Chapter 10: Creation's Test on Trial, Part CFingerprints of CreationFingerprints of Creation is a 33 minute VHS/DVD video detailing the evidence polonium halos offer that the Earth was rapidly formed and did not cool over millions of years.Video Evidence for Earth's Instant Creation - Polonium Halos in Granite and Coal - Earth Science Associates \ {"Hid" "Can Spacetime be a Condensate?" part of this message. - Adminnemooseus}Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : "Hid" "Can Spacetime be a Condensate?" part of message, which had nothing to do with the topic theme.

Its an inert gas dude no reason it would stick around in any one spot any more than radon does. right?

Your previous post was on a different page. Deleted this post.However it was evidence how granite by known science could of instantly formed as Gentry suggested due to primordial polonium it didn't take millions of years to cool but instant cooling. Thats what Gentry suggest in regards to the formation of primordial polonium halo's.I just don't see how its off topic, but whatever deleted the on topic offensive messages of this post! Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Totally ridiculous nonsense hidden. If JF posts more suspensions will follow.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by AdminNosy, : hide nonsense.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Razd,Any dog on the internet can post Poppycock if you have no peer reviewed evidence just admit it!JF

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Gentry has challenged anyone to get your internet Poppycock rebuttals published in a reputable peer review science journal to start a peer review debate in a reputable science journal. That no reputable science journal will publish your palaver means the reputable science journals consider your rebuttals Poppycock!++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++According to Gentry:Briefly, to begin, those who are claiming to have found a natural explanation of polonium halos in granites are trying to hoodwink the unwary. They are misrepresenting the facts.
The reason evolutionists and others post objections on the Internet (anyone can do that, even a DOG :-)) is because they cannot get any reputable scientific journal to publish their claims. The journal editors know their claims are spurious. And were they to be published, the same editors know it would only expose the huge fallacies in their claimsThe evidence clearly favors Gentry: basically, Gentry challenged them to step up to the plate and start a debate in a peer-reviewed SCIENCE journals (the rebuttal works on halos are published on the Internet (no review at all) or in education journals).So far, Gentry has no luck... that really make you wonder how "scientific" these criticisms on Gentry's halo work really are.... Study Pages Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Razd, The problem is reputable scientific journals won't publish your rebuttals apparently they agree with Gentry that your explanation of polonium halos is misrepresenting the facts spurious at best. I could not find anywhere that Gentry admits uranium halos are evidence rocks are hundreds of millions of years old.