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And curiously some of HIS pictures show this smudging between the radon-222 and poponium-210 rings, blurring them over a band wider than their separation.This is the predicted picture with a "clean" Polonium halo (top)and a "smudged" Radon-222 halo (bottom): This is a Gentry photo Curiously Collins also has photos that show the kind of damage along a crack that Gentry said would be evidence of Radon-222 and that he says do not exist. So we can see Radon in both these pictures.We could cut the rock in the last picture along a vertical line into the page and from the side you would see the same thing, because the fissure is a plane in the rock. What would you see from the top? You would NOT see the crack, and you WOULD see some general blurring ... if the crack were a constant thickness.But if you had any small pocket or discontinuity the same size as a normal inclusion, one that fills up with more Radon molecules due to partial pressure, more than you have along the crack (even if it happens over billions of years), bingo you get a "polonium" halo. Put some in near proximity and you could easily generate the pictures that Gentry shows.No Rock-it science needed.Enjoy.

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According to Donald Langmuir PhD Professor Emeritus of Geochemistry if you want to protect yourself from radon gas build your entire house out of granite.Radon atoms in pore spaces and fractures are of minimal concern in the case of granite countertops.It seems the problem is radon in the soil thats getting sucked into the homes not from the granites due their extremely dense nature and resistance to chemical erosion why granites are also used in the chemical storage of highly caustic materials.I suspect due to the neutralness of radon 222 that Gentry seemed to express after it get that electron its migrating out of the granite into the soil to to the pressure issues? It would be like a fuel injector due to how mobile the radon atom is if it has an way out it will move away from a common location not toward a common location.Whatever! granite cut into countertops is safe (does not have billions of radioactive radon atoms a necessary property for your polonium halos to be not primordial) and if your concerned about protecting yourself from radon build your house out of granite. right? As far as water dissolving radon and bringing it into the grantites seems the half life of radon and the permeability of granite defeats this principle. right? It just seems due that no uranium center to Gentrys primordial polonium halos that if by your senerio radon has to move to a common location and due to the cracks in granite in a solution given radons short half life it would decay in every other spot other than a common location. I know you will believe otherwise but the creationists has sound scientific reasons to believe Gentrys primordial polonium supports an young earth. You believe an extra big crack acts as a trap to form polonium halos over long periods of time. raight?+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=To Quote Donald Langmuir, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Geochemistry, Colorado School of Mines, & President, Hydrochem Systems Corp.
"To show how laughable are the concerns of radon emitted from natural stone, the typical granite countertop in our example will release 7.4 x 10 -7 pCi/L of air. This corresponds to 2.7 x 10 -8 atom decays per second (dps). This represents 0.85 decays per year. In other words, less than one atom of radon is produced by the countertop in one year. This is hardly worth getting excited about. I would suggest that a good way to reduce our exposure to the radon present in outdoor air would be to build an air-tight house out of granite countertops! There are certain properties of rocks that can increase their radon emanation efficiency, or in other words increase the release of radon from a given weight of rock. These are rock properties that maximize the exposure of internal or external rock surfaces to water or air, allowing any radon gas to escape. The author of 'Granite and Radon' argues that such properties, which include rock porosity, fissuring and mylonitization, will increase radon releases. This is probably true, however, a granite with such properties would be too brittle to make into a countertop, and too open to take a polish, and so would not be marketable as a countertop - unless the rock pores were first filled with a chemical sealant. Such sealing would also eliminate any possible radon release problems."The testing methodology was designed to measure the amount of radon which each granite type would add to the interior of a 2,000 square foot, normally ventilated home with 8 ft ceilings. The results show that Crema Bordeaux (the most active in terms of radon emissions) would contribute a concentration component of less than 0.28 pCi/L, or less than 7% of the EPA's recommended actionable level of 4.0 pCi/L. This radon amount is well below a level which might cause health concerns. Tropic Brown and Baltic Brown, second and third in radon emanation based upon Dr. Chyi's testing, amounted to only 1% of this action level. The other granites tested added almost immeasurable amounts of radon to the house. Radon atoms in pore spaces and fractures are of minimal concern in the case of granite countertopshttp://askville.amazon.com/SimilarQuestions.do?req=EPA+co...

Strangely this does not explain the actual evidence of actual Radon in the actual rocks in question, nor the actual pictures that show actual radon decay.Enjoy.

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Did you ever think what you think is radon halos is a polonium 210 halo and the dark ring is polonium 210.Its like no uranium center and granite is not like all that dangerous you could build a house out of it and it would actually shield you from radon gas.Gentry says there are zillions of these halos. You folk also dispute that granite is supernatually formed yet you can not create granite you have to mine your granite to make countertops. Your able to create all the other like ignious rocks by cooling but not the granites. right?If you can not accumulate radon gas in a single spot your radon halo is actually instead a polonium 210 halo. right?+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Bottomline: radon gas will not accummulate in a single spot - and without high concentration of Po-218 in a single spot, you don't get halos (the discoloration will only happen by billions of Po-218 decades concentrated in a single spot - without high concentration, it will be a undetectable smear) Study Pages However, if there were other alpha decays occurring, these could not have been lower energy decays than the 210Po, otherwise smaller diameter rings would have been produced adding to the discoloration inside the 210Po ring. Such rings would have been more prominent and clearly visible as darker rings. Such smaller rings cannot be seen, thus 238U could not have been the original parent material.http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/radiohalo.aspEdited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Your arguments might be more convincing if you were citing peer reviewed science journals instead of creationist websites.This is the Science Forum after all, and the record of the creationist websites when it comes to real science is dismal.

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Hello whatever, Yes, and no it can't, because once the Po-214 has decayed the location is fixed. For the atoms to be scattered enough to form a blurred Po-210 ring they would have to be scattered for all the other rings, so they would be blurred too. They aren't, ergo the atoms are not that scattered, ergo it must be Radon-222 that caused the scattered ring. No, because there is no mechanism to scatter the decay from the Po-210 to cause the blurred ring.The only explanation for the evidence is that radon-222 is concentrated within a pocket by partial pressure, compared to the radon-222 along the fissures, and this concentration occurs sufficiently often in the life of the rock (billions of years) that decay occurs while in the pocket and over time (billions of years) builds up to the amount required to form a ring. During that time (billions of years) the daughter isotopes, polonium-214 etc also decay, but they decay from a more concentrated location, having come out of suspension in the water when the radon-222 decayed and falling to the bottom of the pocket due to gravity before decaying on it's own. Once there, the polonium-214 and all other daughter isotopes decay and form nice clear, non-blurred rings. And they all occur under the same conditions: rocks infested with uranium and saturated with radon. Similar rocks nearby that are not infested with uranium and saturated with radon have no halos.There are also no halos for some elements that have no parent isotope yet have much longer half-lives than polonium:Radiometric Dating

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Many people are familiar with a chart of the elements (Fig. 6). Nuclear chemists and geologists use a different kind of figure to show all of the isotopes. It is called a chart of the nuclides. Figure 7 shows a portion of this chart. It is basically a plot of the number of protons vs. the number of neutrons for various isotopes. Recall that an element is defined by how many protons it has. Each element can have a number of different isotopes, that is,

Figure 7. A portion of the chart of the nuclides showing isotopes of argon and potassium, and some of the isotopes of chlorine and calcium. Isotopes shown in dark green are found in rocks. Isotopes shown in light green have short half-lives, and thus are no longer found in rocks. Short-lived isotopes can be made for nearly every element in the periodic table, but unless replenished by cosmic rays or other radioactive isotopes, they no longer exist in nature.

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This is just a portion of the missing isotopes that should - according to the Gentry scenario - be able to form halos IF the earth were indeed young.Note that Argon is also an inert gas that is very soluble in water and present in air, and that Argon-39 has a half-life of 269 years.Why don't we find Argon-39 halos mixed in with the Polonium-214 halos?Because we have no parent source to replenish Ar-39 once it has all decayed, while we have a constant source to replenish Po-214.It's that simple: the earth is indeed billions of years old.Sorry.Edited by RAZD, : center image

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Its all based on a common center however if some atoms were not spot on would not that give a blurred Po-210. The dark ring would be the extreme ring but granite being a crystalline rock so if these halos are formed from a porphyry crystal within granite changing its structure as they decay. Why should this not affect some halo's differently as these radioactive elements within a porphyry crystal breaks up as it restructures as it decays?++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++The word granite comes from the Latin granum, a grain, in reference to the coarse-grained structure of such a crystalline rock.Granite has a medium to coarse texture, occasionally with some individual crystals larger than the groundmass forming a rock known as porphyry.Granite - Wikipedia Perhaps its an inert gas like radon to mobile and in solution also not in one spot long enough to produce an halo! Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Hey johnfolton,I see they are dropping out of the argument, you have done well.The main fact that needs to be repeated is Gentry has published peer reviewed papers on this subject without refutation in peer reveiwed literature. Indeed there are refutations on talk origins et al., but none of this is peer reviewed. That's because these arguments don't hold up with the radon gas moving though cracks in the rocks.These arguments sound good for the unscientific, but not the scientific. They chastize you for citing creationist websites, all the while they are citing non-peer reviewed material. That's why empirical evidence is only important when it fits their dogma. Everything else must be refuted. Just not by the scientific method.

Wiki The key word is intrusive that is forming from magma within the crust. The halos only occur after the rock has become an outcrop, thus even if the halos are only ~6000 years old it would in no way imply that there is a young earth for how does one know when the outcrop occured.

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Its the size of the crystals that no one can replicate, imitation granite has a finer grain. right? For polonioum halos to exist without uranium centers if granite cooled slowly and not quickly you wouldn't have primordial polonium halos.It all suggests granite formed suddenly almost like the hand of God. right? Bose-Einstein condensate? like were talking primordial polonium still existing like a super cooling situation. right?Did you ever consider the planets the universe formed suddenly like from a Bose-Einstein like condensate instead of from a big bang.Space is quite cold so the elements that make up the earth might well exist in the fabric of spacetime as a B-E condensate. right? The big bang is not considered an explosion but an expansion. right? Then the condensate from our Creator expanded creating the earth you would have friction and lava forming within the earth after the condensate expanded forming the intrusive igneous rocks beneath the granites that cooled slowly evidence by igneous rocks finer crystal textures. However before the earth could heat up would not the granites of already formed? Not necessarily from lava but from a B-E condensate from the creator forming the super condensate so polonium was primordial within the granites as evidence of his creation. The very fingerprints of God, the granites.It would be interesting now that they are doing research in B-E condensates if they will finally beable to create granite; however if they do it by creating a B-E condensate it would take billions of years away believed necessary by big bangers necessary to cool the earth. right? It might drastically change the big bang theory if from a B-E condensate perspective, etc...++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Imitation Granite
Since the trial I have obtained some Kilauea-Iki lava lake specimens from the U.S. Geological Survey in Reston, Virginia. In bulk composition and mineralogy the lava specimens are olivine-rich basalt, grossly different from any granite. Dalrymple did not testify about these major differences”he only said that the texture was the same. But in examining the lava specimens, I found that there is an essential difference in the texture which Dalrymple did not mention. In the Kilauea-Iki samples the minerals have grown together in the interlocking, intergranular manner characteristic of rocks which have crystallized from a melt. The minerals in Precambrian granites also exhibit an intergranular, interlocking arrangement, and thus are texturally similar to the Kilauea-Iki specimens in this one respect. However, another aspect of texture is the size of the minerals composing the rock. The Kilauea-Iki samples are fine-grained, meaning that the different mineral grains in them are very small, often microscopic in size. The Precambrian granites, on the other hand, are generally characterized as being coarse-grained, having mineral grains large enough to be identified visually without magnification. This means the only similarity between the granites and the lava specimens is the interlocking, intergranular arrangement of the crystals making up the rocks. This characteristic can be accounted for naturally by slow cooling of the lava in the case of the Kilauea-Iki specimens”or by rapid or instantaneous cooling from a primordial liquid in the case of the granitesDalrymple's comparison of granites with the Kilauea-Iki lava specimens did not provide a scientifically valid basis for rejecting the falsification test. I do not know whether Dalrymple realized the weaknesses in making this comparison, but I do know that about midway in his response he began to address the granite synthesis challenge directly.He claims that granite synthesis is impossible”but only because of technical reasons. At first he emphasizes the monumental difficulties in trying to synthesize a hand-sized piece of granite. Then he says”unless there had been a recent breakthrough”no one had yet succeeded in synthesizing a tiny piece. After protesting at length that I had proposed an unreasonably large-sized piece of granite to synthesize, the truth emerges: experimenters have difficulties in even getting the granite synthesis reaction started.Creation's Tiny Mystery, Chapter 10: Creation's Test on Trial, Part CFingerprints of CreationFingerprints of Creation is a 33 minute VHS/DVD video detailing the evidence polonium halos offer that the Earth was rapidly formed and did not cool over millions of years.Video Evidence for Earth's Instant Creation - Polonium Halos in Granite and Coal - Earth Science Associates \ {"Hid" "Can Spacetime be a Condensate?" part of this message. - Adminnemooseus}Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : "Hid" "Can Spacetime be a Condensate?" part of message, which had nothing to do with the topic theme.

No, he has been refuted. Denial of evidence does not make a winning argument. What you really see is whatever\johnfulton desperately clutching at straws, any straws to try some new angle to get around the evidence that -- sorry -- polonium halos come from radon.How long do you keep explaining that 2+2 = 4? ... been refuted. Completely. Curiously, repeating falsehoods has never been shown to make them any more valid or real. I guess you missed where they were published. In 1980. Curiously you have not added anything of any kind of scientific merit.Perhaps something about the other missing radioactive elements, like Argon-39 halos.Enjoy.

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Its an inert gas dude no reason it would stick around in any one spot any more than radon does. right?

Page not found | Physics | University of Colorado Boulder | University of Colorado Boulder Evidently your Bose-Einstein codensate hypothesis isn't cold enough.

I've hidden a big chunk but not all of the Bose-Einstein condensate part of your message. If you feel you must discuss such things, propose a new topic.NO REPLIES TO THE ADMIN/MODERATION PORTION OF THIS TOPIC.Adminnemooseus-----Now some non-admin (Minnemooseus) comments:As I recall, two factors control the grain size of igneous rocks.1) The cooling rate. Large masses of magma take a long time to cool and thus have larger grain sizes.2} Volatile content: "Wet" magmas, containing lots of water and other volatile components, solidify to larger crystals. That is why you get ultra-course grained pegmatites. On the other hand (if I recall correctly) obsidians (felsic volcanic glass) have very low volatile components.Reference for above added 10/2/08: Crystal Sizes and Pegmatite DikesRe: Bluescat48's message 40: I assume you meant to say that the halos only occur after the rock has solidified. Being an outcrop means that the rock is exposed at the surface, which has very little to do with the rocks nature.MinnemooseusEdited by Adminnemooseus, : Add link.