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NosyNed
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Message 7 of 34 (503806)
03-22-2009 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Daniel4140
03-22-2009 10:44 AM


An ignored Request
You ignored this post in the correlations thread:
quote:
It appears Daniel, that you are saying IF the published information is correct then the Earth is actually old.
The reason you think it is incorrect seems to be only one of two choices:
1) the researchers are incompetent
2) the researchers are lying or deluding themselves
Is this correct? Is this all you have to offer or is there more?
Since the information is, in fact, available to young earthers why haven't they shown, in detail, at a publishable level of quality how the research is wrong. We've read what they have published and it doesn't begin to tackle all the issues; not even half of them.
Why is that? Is it perhaps because they are the ones who are 1) or 2) from above?
Why didn't you answer this before.
Why do you think you have to do all the research now? If it was possible to do what you are pretending to do then why hasn't ICR done it all already and published it?

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NosyNed
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Message 12 of 34 (503827)
03-22-2009 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Daniel4140
03-22-2009 4:13 PM


Re: An ignored Request
I'm not interested in disucssing statistical analysys until it can be proven that the creationist community has access to the data source on the 14C dates for the Ferguson Chronology, among other things. Also, if cannot be established where rings were subjectively added by researchers, then there is no point in talking about statistics. Real science requires original data.
As it is a huge majority of the "matches" involve rings of "0" width. So if you put enough "0"'s into the ring width list at the right places, then you can created whatever signal you want to match with whatever. My current hypothesis is that the "0"'s were fraudlently placed. So provide the data and the answers first.
How, exactly, does any of that answer my questions? I asked why the ICR folks haven't done this. Did you read it slowly enough.
It doesn't need bristle cone pine or any specific trees so arguing about what is available and not is an utter red herring (and just as smelly). They can sample 3 or 4 different species of trees in different locations over just a 1,000 or 2,000 years. If the method is so full of error they will be able to easily demonstrate it.
However, you avoid commenting on where the results of the ICR (or others) work is. The reason you do this is because they haven't done it. And the reason they haven't done it is because they know very well what the outcome will be if they are honest when they do the work.
Now, instead of flapping around all over the place pretending to do maths just answer the question actually raised could you?

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NosyNed
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Message 29 of 34 (504108)
03-24-2009 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Daniel4140
03-24-2009 10:58 AM


Asking again
I ask again, Daniel, where are the ICR (or other organizations) published studies to show how tree ring dating is wrong?
If you think you can do it why hasn't it been done and done again yet?
Why do creationists avoid that question?

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NosyNed
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Message 32 of 34 (504143)
03-24-2009 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by RAZD
03-24-2009 7:46 PM


Honest Research
So they have published! My Bad!
And honestly too! My even badder!
Of course, they have moved the flood back to before 10,000 years as well.
But they have also established both C14 dating and dendrochronology over a wide time frame (about 20% of C14 range) which is strong support for dates over a 50,000 year time frame.
Any guesses as to Daniel's reaction? Equal honesty?

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