How Old is the Earth ?

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
--My question was are there any sort of dating techniques that will also give you an age of the earth's 'existance', not that it is more than 6000 years old. Different questions.

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I'm not sure why you are asking this question unless it's the old creationist argument that since it cannot be verified by another method we cannot really trust a radiometric date for the age of the earth. The point is that it IS verified by several independent radiometric methods. This would be impossible if the world according to creationists were true.Really, if you want to pursue the argument, I suggest that you think really hard about what methods verify your own concept of the age of the earth. How old does moon dust accumulation suggest the earth is? How about helium escape? Why do you think that these methods seldom result in actual numbers in the creationist press? Do you really think that they agree with one another? I think you will quickly see that this line of questioning does you little good.

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Originally posted by zimzam:
Science can only explain how it works but nothing can explain how it got there in the first place. If not intelligent design then what? No one can answer that..

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You are wrong. How about "natural origins" for an answer.

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...therefore a supernatural created beginning is not an illogical thought.

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Other than the fact that everything else can be logically explained by natural means. Why should origins be different?

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The more natural mechanisms you list the more I see extremely complex design that has to be the result of some intelligent design. The universe and everything in it screams "DESIGN!"

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Actually, it screams "apparent design!"

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Originally posted by Cobra_snake:
From: Edge
"Other than the fact that everything else can be logically explained by natural means. Why should origins be different?"

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This has become a very common argument, so I will try to answer it.

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First of all, there is good reason for believing that there is something of greater power than humans know of.

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Yes, there always have been such things. Volcanos, epidemics, earthquakes hurricanes and even floods. We have found all of them to have natural causes.

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Existence itself does not make much sense, since nothing can ever turn into something, and nothing could have always existed.

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What do you mean by this?

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But wait- don't these rules also apply to a hypothetical Creator?

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Why should anything apply to a hypothetical being? You are injecting your bias here.

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Afterall, God did indeed make something out of nothing and God always has been.

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This is an assertion based on your own bias. In trying to show how god did these things you simply assert that god did them.

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The answer is, God is above natural laws. God always has been and always will be, and because of this, he does not need a cause.

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But god is not above petty squabbles and an occasional genocidal act now and then? This is not logical.

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Since there are no natural laws that show that something can arise from nothing, it is very reasonable to infer a designer. I wouldn't hold my breath for a forthcoming theory that explains why something can come from nothing due to natural laws. The very idea seems to be absolutely ridiculous.

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I'm not sure who said this in the first place, other than creationists, that is.

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Another problem with your argument is that there is no reason that we would be expected to observe supernatural phenomenon. Humans are in an intellectual box, we can only observe WHAT God created.

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Then why did god create all of this evidence for an old earth that we CAN observe? Why didn't god make the half life of U238 more like 500 years so that we would get an accurate idea of the age of the earth? Do you begin to get an inkling here what you doing? Every time something comes up that you don't understand it is a miracle that no one can refute! Must be nice.Science does not address the supernatural. It does however, describe what we see in the world around us. It has succeeded in explaining many of the phenomena that were, in the past, ascribed to miracles, magic and supernatural events. The belief in creationism is just a relict of this mystical world view.