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Theo
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Message 112 of 145 (5342)
02-22-2002 11:36 PM


For Peter and Mark24,
Tools are complex and are originated by previous intelligence. the very definition of a tool means to an instrument of use. If intelligence does not precede it it is not a tool! This tool analogy is not applicable however and is an example of question begging and circular reasoning.
The real question is order and information. If one sees a 'tool' such as an arrow head on the ground one knows that intelligence preceded the order imposed on the arrowhead. No one just thinks look what random chance produced! Information is order's of magnitude more complex. One does not look at an encyclopedia set and say "look what random chance produced." We know that intelligence precedes order and ordered information. This scientific principal was established by science and used in the seti project. Aiming radio telescopes out into space looking for intelligent life based on what evidence--ordered radio waves!? Secular scientists criteria not mine. DNA is infinitely more complex than an encyclopedia set so logically a superior source of intelligence preceded DNA. Secular scientists have set the standard of impossibility at 10 to the 78th, the number of atoms in the universe. The odds and probability of DNA forming by chance has been calculated by secular scientists at 10 to the 20,000. Even if there are infinite universes operating side by side for the errant 24 billion year time assigned, DNA cannot form by chance. No DNA by chance no macro-evolution.
Now then, it has been illogically stated that natural mechanisms exist therefore unknown natural mechanisms exist and that supernatural mechanisms don't exist. First one would have to have all knowledge of the universe to say that and we don't. Second the word super simply means beyond. To an unknown natural mechanism is by definition a 'super' natural mecchanism. This is simply a tautological attempt to define the supernatural out of existence. This is question begging and circular reasoning. As well the question who designed the designer was refuted by the atheist Bertrand Russel who said it is making God a subset of himself. As well the law of biogenesis from Pasteur refutes this. Life has only been observed to come from life.
Furthermore, Bishop Ussher's time table is binding on no christian. There is an unknown in the Jewish patriarchal timetable. When it says so and so begat so and so it means direct parentage. When it says so and so son of so and so it simply means descedant of. Ussher did not understand all of this. Christians usually believe the earth to be about 10,000 years old so quite building straw men based on Bishop Ussher and find out what creationists really believe and why.
Evidence of a young earth is abundant but this is too long already I will go through the young earth evidence later. It was more important to correct foundational and logical errors first
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theo

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