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Message 399 of 1486 (730615)
06-29-2014 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by OS
06-29-2014 12:13 PM


Ar-40 is a stable isotope. I don't think it would be stupid to try, but it would be complicated, an it might not be as successful as with other Argon isotopes.

Why bother? What possible relevance could the outcome of that experiment have on the topic of this thread "Age Correlations and An Old Earth"?

Your odd, disjointed ramblings remind me of Tesla, a former member here who also could not write a coherent sentence.


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Message 509 of 1486 (809994)
05-22-2017 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 508 by Taq
05-22-2017 3:25 PM


Re: Bristlecone Pines
On top of that, you also need to explain how the tree ring data also correlates with lake varves, corals, ice layers, and speleothems.

Plus Carbon 14 data.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 791 of 1486 (840700)
10-03-2018 11:56 AM
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10-03-2018 11:42 AM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:

Bring it.


You're the one who has to bring it if you want anybody to take you seriously.

No one is ever going to take him seriously.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 813 of 1486 (840935)
10-05-2018 4:19 PM
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10-05-2018 11:51 AM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:

In fact, there seems to be no reason to assume that man even had any need to write at all in that pre flood/nature change world.

Yeah? What about letters to Santa Claus?

This is a science thread. Your childish myth about an imaginary flood and an even sillier nature change world do not belong here.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 817 of 1486 (840963)
10-05-2018 11:41 PM
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10-05-2018 11:29 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:

This is a science thread so have you any physical evidence of writing pre Egypt? If not do not claim there was.

I made no such claim. I said your childish myth doesn't belong in a science thread.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 825 of 1486 (841123)
10-08-2018 11:42 AM
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10-08-2018 9:52 AM


Re: And now some questions on past times
So how do you weigh in on whether there was any writing pre tower of Babel era?

There was no tower of Babel. It's a myth. It is fictional.

There were people writing in China, India, Mesopotamia, and Egypt before the time when the story of the biblical flood is supposed to have happened. They kept on writing right through the biblical flood and never bothered to mention it.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 828 of 1486 (841140)
10-08-2018 1:02 PM
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10-08-2018 11:50 AM


Re: And now some questions on past times
I think they all have Flood stories though, don't they?

Do they? Can you show them to us?

The real problem is just that the dating is wrong: they did all their writing after the Flood.

The actual evidence shows there was never a global flood anytime when humans existed.

The whole purpose of this thread is presenting evidence for dating methods. What dating methods do you use?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 955 of 1486 (842481)
11-01-2018 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 953 by creation
11-01-2018 2:42 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
If you look at the life span changes, it is in the days of Peleg that we see the graph change.

Fiction.

If we look at Noah after the flood, trees still grew fast.

Fiction.

If we look at science, we see that a migration from anywhere near the mountains of Ararat for animals doesn't seem to work...etc etc etc.

Wow, finally something true. Science shows that there was never a migration of animals from Mt. Ararat to the rest of the world.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 966 of 1486 (842534)
11-02-2018 3:11 PM
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11-02-2018 2:40 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
If the nature change was in the days of Peleg, who was born they say 101 years after the flood, then no one lived more than a few hundred years plus after that.

If.

They say? Who are they?

Fiction.

Those few born before the change may have lived an longer after this time.

Do you ever read what you write?

If Shem lived, say about 500 years after the flood, that would be only about say, 395 years after the nature change. If the change happened in the days of Peleg and Peleg lived 239 years, then Shem only lived some 160 years over the new normal life spans. Presumably, being born in the former nature would have impacted his life span. But the graph is clear, and it is in the days of Peleg we get the leveling off and drop to today's levels.

More fiction. If. If.

You are in no position to call the recorded life spans fiction.

Actually I am in the perfect position to call it all fiction. You are the one who cannot prove it is not fiction.

As for the migration of animals, If the land was together at that time, it is possible!

More ifs, IF, IF, IF.

And more fiction.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 968 of 1486 (842556)
11-02-2018 6:23 PM
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11-02-2018 6:04 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
What proof do you have Peleg was fiction?

You cannot prove it is not fiction.

Who says he was born a certain number of years after the flood? The chronologies of the bible, and scholars.

Fiction. Using the bible as evidence that the bible is not fiction is a classic case of circular reasoning.

Fictional characters in a fictional book are imaginary. Is that all you have?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 978 of 1486 (842604)
11-03-2018 2:58 PM
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11-03-2018 1:53 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Your criteria then is that one cannot prove something is fiction so it is false. OK.

Your comprehension is amazingly bad. If you cannot independently demonstrate that something is true, then it is fiction.

That leaves your religion in the dumps.

Good, that is where I threw it as soon as I was old enough to realize the bible is fiction.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 985 of 1486 (842639)
11-04-2018 12:26 PM
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11-04-2018 11:41 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Until you demonstrate your claims ancient records are not true in any way, those claims remain fiction then.

I didn't claim that.

Until you prove a same nature in the past that is used in all models of the past...they remain fiction.

I don't need to bother proving or disproving an imaginary "nature" that you made up in your head. Scientists don't even know you exist, so they will continue to study and learn from their observations without ever noticing your imaginary "natures."

You will never have any influence on science.

that is used in all models of the past

I have no idea what this means.

Until you demonstrate that time and space in the far universe are the same, such claims are fiction.

Ok. I'm not claiming that.

I am claiming that we collect electromagnetic radiation when we point our instruments at the sky that seems to be emitted by the some of the same processes we can study on the earth.

I predict that all the astronomers, astrophysicists, and every other kind of scientist on this planet are going to ignore you and your silly ideas and will continue observing and trying to understand the Universe here on Earth and far away.

If your ideas had any merit they would have been discovered long ago. The point is, you will have to be a whole shitload better educated about what we do know if you ever hope for anyone to take you seriously.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1002 of 1486 (842813)
11-08-2018 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 998 by creation
11-08-2018 3:19 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
The fraud of calling your lack of knowing 'science' is exposed.

Yes, finally! You calling ignorance science is fraudulent. You calling science religion is ironic, showing you believe religion is the worst label you can call something.

Obviously you cannot prove your claimed nature in the far past on earth.

You are the one making unsubstantiated claims about "nature." Pure fiction, not even good enough for religion.

You lose.

Says the only person who believes your fictional imaginary fantasy.

Meanwhile, thousands of scientists are studying the Universe and discovering new things they didn't know yesterday. And guess what.....your fictional imaginary fantasy has absolutely no impact on human knowledge.

You do not matter. The sad part is, you are not even any good at religion, let alone science and knowledge. You are delusional.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1005 of 1486 (842826)
11-08-2018 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1004 by Faith
11-08-2018 5:50 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Oh there's SO much No Evidence for the Flood.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

All those strata and fossils all over the world.

Once people started doing systematic study of the strata and fossils all over the world it became clear that they are not the result of a single global flood or a single regional flood. In fact, clearly only a very small percentage of the fossils we have discovered show any evidence of dying in a flood.

The thousands of pieces of evidence that science can explain and that you cannot refute your whole fantasy. This evidence has been pointed out to you repeatedly and ignored by you in a bunch of threads here at EvC. You have never been able to successfully explain the myriad flaws in your fantasy that we have pointed out to you.

They don't stop being evidence for the Flood just because they've been commandeered to another purpose by evos.

They were never evidence for the flood. That was the single biggest mistake repeatedly made by creationists. It became obvious to the people who started systematically studying geology and paleontology more than 200 years ago that they could not have been deposited in a single flood and that they were not the results of short event floods.

We can see the kinds of evidence all sorts of floods and other events leave behind. These days many of these events are seen by inhabitants and rescue workers and later carefully studied by a wide range of interested scientists. We can see the way sediments are deposited and how animals look when they are embedded in the various deposits.

Scientist have also systematically studied erosion in many different conditions and none of those resemble your fantasies about how the Grand Canyon or any other erosional landform was created.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1020 of 1486 (842912)
11-09-2018 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1011 by Faith
11-09-2018 4:14 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
The evidence for the Flood is obvious.

Only to a creationist desperately trying to ignore all the hundreds of flaws in her argument that science explains.

Sometimes things are too obvious for the scientific mind.

Some things seem obvious to your ignorant mind, but you are wrong.

It's just a matter of standing back and noticing the facts apart from the absurd interpretations laid on them.

Too bad you never notice all the flaws in your absurd interpretations.

The sciences of the past are all guesswork, they can never be established because you can't send somebody there to see if you're right or not.

This is all fantasy on your part that has nothing to do with reality as has been demonstrated to you hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times.

But WE have a written testimony to the past which is a lot more than you guys have.

All you have is a fictional story told by a bunch of bronze age goat herders. And even that fictional story does not support your fantasy.

Strata are formed by water, we've got gigant layers of disparate sediments all over the world, commensurate with a gigantic water event

Actually, the evidence clearly shows that those layers all over the world were deposited over huge periods of time, sometimes with erosion unconformities between layers. This is not consistent with the kind of evidence a flood leaves behind. There are thousands of different times and events when the whole planet is considered.

you don't need fancy interpretations for each layer of sediment.

You mean you don't need them, but we do and we also have them, neat, huh.

And fossils in the bazillions are in-your-face evidence of exactly what the Flood was supposed to do: kill all living things.

And yet we can see clearly that the fossils were not all deposited at the same time and in fact they were deposited over the last several billion years, with more complex organisms being deposited since 600 million years ago.

And they were preserved because the Flood provided the perfect conditions for fossilization, rapid deposition and burial, and only the Flood could have done this as consistently we see occurred. There is plenty of evidence of rapid deposition and really NO evidence for time periods of millions of years,

You are just repeating the same made up crapola that we see every time you start raving about the flood.

You have no explanation for the order of the fossils or the layers and until you do your fantasy does not fit the reality of what we can see. You have previously stated that you can ignore whatever the evidence shows because your version of the story is correct, no matter what.

Sometimes the "experts" build castles in the air.

Pretty much all the time you think fiction describes reality.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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