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AZPaul3
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Message 462 of 1486 (755719)
04-10-2015 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 458 by OS
04-10-2015 9:47 PM


Re: OS and tree rings
Tree rings are not all produced one per year; and they aren't very distinct in small trees.

No one cares if "not all produced one per year" since there are quite a few well known, well studied species that do. No one cares that "they aren't very distinct in small trees," since small trees are not used in the calibration protocols.

Tree ring dating does not improve radiocarbon dating, and the data prove it.

Except that it indeed does improve the dating and the data actually do show it to be fact.

use

facts

data

Anything else you would like to be wrong about?


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Message 969 of 1486 (842558)
11-02-2018 6:30 PM
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11-02-2018 6:04 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Who says he was born a certain number of years after the flood? The chronologies of the bible ...

Which are woefully inaccurate and fictional.

... and scholars.

But the "scholars" you would cite are all deeply religious weenies out to support a fiction at whatever cost to the truth.

No help there, creation.

Got any real reliable evidence from outside your biblical fictions that your boy Pegleg or his great great great grandad actually existed?


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Message 976 of 1486 (842599)
11-03-2018 2:10 PM
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11-03-2018 1:52 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Show some scholars of your own that say Noah never really lived then.

Reading comprehension and logic flow problems.

The question is whether YOU can produce ANY evidence outside your inaccurate and fantasy-based tome of myths that supports in any legitimate way the existence of either Pegleg or his supposed ancestor.

It is NOT incumbent upon anyone else to show the contrary.

These types of illogical responses are a hallmark of those who cannot support their untenable positions. No wonder you're losing the battle.


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AZPaul3
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Message 1003 of 1486 (842822)
11-08-2018 5:42 PM
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11-08-2018 12:26 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
You have no tools or abilities or science to look into the time Noah lived. Science cannot comment either way.

Au contraire. There are many such tools, abilities and all of the actual philosophy of science used to analyse the thousands of facts left in the rocks and sediments that says this global flood that your religion seems so tenuously to cling for justification never happened. You just cannot afford to see it since with the actual evidence your fictitious flud-n-fall fail under the immense weight of reality.

We have the facts. We have the evidence. All of which you have to deny to maintain your fictitious myths.

You have nothing.


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Message 1006 of 1486 (842827)
11-08-2018 6:35 PM
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11-08-2018 5:50 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Oh there's SO much No Evidence for the Flood. All those strata and fossils all over the world. They don't stop being evidence for the Flood just because they've been commandeered to another purpose by evos.

You wouldn't know evidence for the flud from evidence against the flud. You haven't the training nor expertise. What few "experts" you may cite are all religiously motivated to extend the fiction of the flud despite the facts, which they are forced to deny, and the weight of the evidence, which they are forced to ignore.

Your participation in the Grand Canyon discussions on this site is ample evidence to the extreme lengths biblicans, like you, will go to deny the reality of well evidenced and settled geological fact.

Deny all you want but your alternative evidences and made up interpretations have all been shown to be bogus in the last 200 years.

Tilt at the windmills, M'Love. Your myths died a charlatan's death generations ago.

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Message 1015 of 1486 (842896)
11-09-2018 5:01 PM
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11-09-2018 4:14 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
The evidence for the Flood is obvious. Sometimes things are too obvious for the scientific mind.

The very reason for the philosophy of science is precisely because the "obvious" is so often drastically wrong.

Cases in point: Da Flud, ex nihilo creation, young Earth, gods, demons, 4 humors, republicans, bigfoot, christians and so much more.


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Message 1019 of 1486 (842909)
11-09-2018 5:31 PM
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11-09-2018 5:05 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
The evidence for the Flood is scientific fact, you know, actual sedimentary deposits, actual fossils in the bazillions, not any of your wacko stuff.

The entire community of geologists world wide over the past 200 years have studied the actual sediments and have concluded, rather forcefully, that your flud never happened. Your self-serving re(mis)interpretations of their findings means nothing. Real scientists determine what the sediments show and what that evidence means, not some little old lady from Nevada no matter how lovely she may be. Sorry, Love, you and yours lost out on this flud thing ages ago.


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Message 1102 of 1486 (843445)
11-17-2018 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1048 by creation
11-13-2018 11:35 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
There may have been ruptured conduits of the deep (founts) that brought stuff UP. Also, maybe some iridium in the waters from above. Who knows?
So..impact in some areas..yes...from above or below? Who knows?

Actual working geologists and chemists.

Do you have some evidence they don't?


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Message 1112 of 1486 (843480)
11-18-2018 6:46 AM
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11-18-2018 2:55 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Do you have some evidence they don't?

They have no info on where the KT iridium came from all over the planet.

Sure they do. They even found the crater.

So, again I ask, do you have some evidence they don't?

No, I don't think you do. Just your knee-jerk reaction to real evidence you are incapable of understanding.


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Message 1130 of 1486 (843692)
11-20-2018 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1118 by creation
11-19-2018 1:17 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Prove the impacts were from above rather than below? Ruptured fountain of the deep?

The lines of evidence for the Chicxulub crater and the spread of its affects worldwide are many, well known and open to anyone to research, see, taste, feel, rub in their umbilicus. Multiple independent lines of evidence from various science disciplines from all around the globe.

You are the one denying the science. So, where are your multiple lines of independent evidence against these facts?


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Message 1142 of 1486 (843831)
11-21-2018 3:57 PM
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11-21-2018 1:56 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Excellent.

What I have asked, is whether that impact/force could have actually been from below, in a gigantic ancient fount of the deep, bring up water and various stuff with the water!?

In a way you're onto something. But not at Chicxulub.

A planet getting hit by a Chicxulub hunk of space rock would cause all manner of faults, ruptures, pressure waves at extreme frequencies, all throughout the planet. The fountains of the deep most certainly would have opened. The Deccan Traps kind of stuff. That's why the environmental damage was so sever throughout the planet for the ensuing millions of years killing off most of the life on this planet.

But not at Chicxulub.

We have seen the fountains of the deep open. We have studied to a very large extent the effects of these things from what they left behind. Yellowstone, Siberian Traps, look up large igneous provinces. We know what they look like.

We also know of impact craters. All over this planet. We know, with a great deal of certainty, what scars these things leave behind and we can quite easily tell their age, composition, extent, structure, from their peeks to many miles away ... and below. People really do study these things in extreme detail. Like a passionate need to measure, dig, analyse, write papers, discuss, go to conferences, live life. Like that.

Chicxulub was an impact crater. Not a massive volcanic disruption.

I will note that stuff did come from under the earth...even in the impact theory!

Indeed lots and lots of stuff came up from that collision and all the fountains of the deep it opened all around the world. Remember, a big chunk of all life on Earth not just died but completely died out ... extinct ... no more of that kind ever again. That takes a good length of time, like lots of years to accomplish, even after a really bad day. The fountains of the deep kept a really bad thing, not only going, but going worse and worse.

In none of this stuff has anyone ever recorded more than trace amounts of iridium. Certainly nothing in the range of what we find in the K-T boundary layer (I'm old. I get to still call it that.)

We have, however, seen those levels of iridium concentrations from the smaller chunks of space rock this planet seems to collect every now and again.

"A 2016 drilling project into the Chicxulub peak ring confirmed that the peak ring comprised granite ejected within minutes from deep in the earth,"

Yah, that mountain of space rock dug itself into us real deep while it, and all the surrounding crust, rock, water, everything exploded. Having rings of Earth's mangled mantel is not just possible, but, kinda required.

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Message 1144 of 1486 (843836)
11-21-2018 5:26 PM
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11-21-2018 2:33 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
We should remember also that science really doesn't know what is in the inner earth. They are in no position to tell us what Ir would be like there.

So why should we ever assume patches of high concentrations of Iridium somewhere in the mantle or below when we have no reasons to base that assumption upon?

Everything the Earth has spewed up at us, everything we have ever seen from the fountains of the deep has had nothing but trace levels, or below, of the stuff. Why should we entertain the possibility? Just because it may fit a favorite fable?

Can you give us ANY reason to suggest that Iridium can come in those concentrations from within the crust or from the oceans, or fall from the clouds ... from anywhere except the only places we have ever seen such high levels ... space rocks?


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Message 1155 of 1486 (843926)
11-22-2018 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1150 by creation
11-22-2018 6:28 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
A very foolish and inaccurate claim. The molten rock in India or elsewhere was not from a fountain of the deep.

A very foolish and inaccurate response. Deep fissures open in the crust of the planet and out explodes, gushes and oozes all manner of ejecta. Regardless of your personal self-serving definitions those are the only fountains of the deep we have ever experienced.

The so called scars you speak of would be similar in any violent impact either from below or above.

And you know this how? Centuries of study by thousands of experts, both amateur and professional, says you're wrong.

specify exactly what you claim is unique to an impact from up to down!?

I'm not such an expert, neither amateur nor professional.

Besides, you probably wouldn't understand or except the properties these experts cited, so I'm not going to waste my efforts on trying to educate a committed anti-intellectual.

we can quite easily tell their age

In your religious dream, yes. Not in real time.

Funny how religious apologists try to use the term "religious" as an insult. Like you know being religious is being wrong.

Again, the science is quite rigorous. Not conducive to the simple-minded religionist.

Remember, a big chunk of all life on Earth not just died but completely died out ... extinct ... no more of that kind ever again

Precisely what we expect in the flood, not only in your cooked up extinction fables.

Except the Earth shows no signs of such flood, but, does show copious points of evidence that a big honking space mountain hit us hard causing an environmental calamity that lead, directly and indirectly, to the mass extinction of some 70% of all life in the ensuing millennia. Tens of thousands of years. Quite contrary to the narrative of your flud fable. I'm sure you can make up an unevidenced fantasy reason for this.

As discussed, science says iridium does come from space and also that is is found deep in the earth. Precisely where flood water came from!

Iridium comes from space rocks in concentrations we find in the K-T boundary layer and iridium only comes from the Earth in trace amounts thousands of times less than what is in the K-T boundary layer. The iridium in the K-T boundary layer came from one rather largish space rock.

That is a significant fact you cannot obfuscate. You are left only with the abject denial of this reality.

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Message 1159 of 1486 (843930)
11-22-2018 11:37 PM
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11-22-2018 6:41 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
So why should we ever assume patches of high concentrations of Iridium somewhere in the mantle or below when we have no reasons to base that assumption upon?

Why assume they were not there??
Science has no reasons either way.

We don't "assume they were not there."

We have no evidence that they are there in such large concentrations. We have evidence of trace amounts from the Earth. Not the thousands of times larger concentrations we find in K-T boundary layer. And since iridium is not water soluble there is no demonstrable mechanism from your flud to concentrate those trace amounts to those even close to the levels found in the K-T layer.

I have reasons. The fact is it exists and had to come from somewhere.

No. You have wishful thinking and fantasy. Besides we already know where that level of iridium came from.

This has the earmarks of the flood.

No ear, no marks, no flud.

You have NO idea whatsoever even what a fountain of the deep was! Stop with the insane claims you saw stuff pushed out of them!!

Sure we do. We see the things, and what they left over hundreds of millions of years, all over the planet. There are no others in evidence.

Maybe the water came from deeper than they think. As for space...the waters resided out beyond where the stars are that came to earth in the flood. This leaves a lot of room for the water picking up iridium!!!

What happened to "Stop with the insane claims"?

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Message 1166 of 1486 (843977)
11-23-2018 2:46 PM
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11-23-2018 11:33 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
In my opinion, we cannot compare modern or even geological mid-ocean ridge vents with the purported 'fountains of the deep'.

Sure we can ... I think.

For the purposes of gauging iridium concentrations from within the Earth I included any and all fissures, geysers, volcanoes from black smokers to the Deccan Traps and other large igneous provinces. That's the closest I could come to covering everything that might be construed or misconstrued as some fountain of the deep.

The point I think I'm making to creation is that the Earth has spilled its guts out at us over many millions of years all around the planet and all we have ever seen from this stuff is small trace amounts of iridium far to sparse to compare with the concentrations found in the K-T layer.


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