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Message 414 of 1486 (730718)
06-30-2014 4:00 AM
Reply to: Message 411 by OS
06-29-2014 8:48 PM


OS writes:

"For a collision between argon 40 and a proton, the result would be emission of either two protons to get Cl-39 or an alpha particle to get Cl-38."


This would thus mean that, in the cases where the ages of crystals were determined with the K/Ar or Ar/Ar methods, those crystals are actually older than the ages determined by these methods. It would mean that those geologists underestimated the ages of those crystals.

I will explain why, quickly. For example, the K/Ar method starts working with the crystallisation of minerals.

Ar is an inert gas and can't be incorporated in the chemical reactions resulting in the crystal lattices of crystals. That's how we start, from basic chemistry. When the crystal forms, 0% Ar in the crystal lattices.

Then the K in those lattices start decaying according to basic physics.

The more the percentage of Ar in crystal lattices, the older the crystal. So, old OS is telling us that some Ar in the crystal lattices are removed via protons.

OS just confirmed that the earth is old. Very, very old.

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Message 415 of 1486 (730719)
06-30-2014 5:16 AM
Reply to: Message 406 by OS
06-29-2014 7:45 PM


OS writes:

On the magma level, it does look like 40K is being forced to turn into 40Ar and 40Ca by neutrons and protons.

Luckily for humanity, both the K/Ar and Ar/Ar methods only start working after the magmatic phases.

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Message 416 of 1486 (731797)
06-30-2014 7:37 AM
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06-29-2014 8:16 PM


Coyote writes:

Stick around. This is a good place to learn things.

Ahmen, indeed.


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Message 432 of 1486 (733762)
07-21-2014 3:15 AM
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07-20-2014 8:56 PM


OS writes:

Not wanting to react

Ar is a noble gas; therefore it can't partcipiate in the chemical reactions resulting in the formation of the crystal lattices. Thus; Ar won't be present in the crystal lattices directly after formation of crystals. Basic chemistry.

OS writes:

I wasn't clear. Is it unstable in its containment? Does it bounce around in the rock?

Obviously not. What does "unstable in their containment" and "bounce around the rock"
even mean?

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Message 439 of 1486 (755538)
04-09-2015 8:29 AM
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04-09-2015 7:32 AM


Already answered in previous post.

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Message 447 of 1486 (755573)
04-09-2015 1:49 PM
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04-09-2015 10:57 AM


To me it seems as if OS thinks that atoms just run around in crystals in whatever and whitchever random way they want to.

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Message 535 of 1486 (815166)
07-17-2017 5:04 AM
Reply to: Message 520 by marc9000
07-15-2017 12:53 PM


Re: that wasn't so hard now, was it?
marc9000 writes:

Darwin's book "Origin of Species" was written in 1859. All the above dates come shortly after that. Meaning that the interest in an old earth increased greatly with the publication of that book.

You've got it the wrong way round. The naturalists of the time realised that the earth was very, very old. Waaaay before Darwin.

Anyway, marc9000, isn't it amazing that exploration and mining companies were the people and organisations initiating and funding research on how to exactly determine the age of rocks? Seems like it helped them doing what they do best; finding and taking minerals out of the ground and sell those products for a profit (I nearly wrote Prophet)? They use old earth models. Makes normal people think; doesn't it?

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Message 536 of 1486 (815353)
07-19-2017 10:34 AM
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07-16-2017 2:58 PM


Re: that wasn't so hard now, was it?
This one is just as funny.

marc9000 writes:

Events of the past aren't repeatable, and aren't observable...

Actually, I didn't need to watch my parents having sex to have me.

DNA does the trick.

Do you have any idea what science is, marc9trillion?

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Message 551 of 1486 (815538)
07-21-2017 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 540 by marc9000
07-19-2017 8:02 PM


Re: that wasn't so hard now, was it?
marc9000 writes:

Events of the past aren't repeatable, and aren't observable,….


me writes:

Actually, I didn't need to watch my parents having sex to have me. DNA does the trick. Do you have any idea what science is, marc9trillion?


marc9000 writes:

There's no disagreement between YEC's and AED's on how life is pro-created. But there is disagreement on between them on how old the earth is, what the supernatural is capable of if it isn't bound by one time and three space dimensions.


You scored an own goal. Events of the past don’t have to be repeated to be scientific. In science the evidence provided must be observable and the experiments to confirm or deny hypotheses must be repeatable.

It would help you if you knew the basics about basic science before trying to "prove" that science is wrong...


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Message 572 of 1486 (815756)
07-24-2017 6:39 AM
Reply to: Message 556 by marc9000
07-21-2017 8:05 PM


Re: that wasn't so hard now, was it?
marc9000 writes:

I don't try to prove science is wrong. I just sometimes question the promotion of certain theoretical kinds of science which only exist to promote the atheist worldview, and liberal politics.

You are wrong. The natural sciences are the most reliable ways of explaining what we observe around us. The natural sciences work very well in explaining naturally occurring phenomena.

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Message 686 of 1486 (826954)
01-15-2018 5:51 AM
Reply to: Message 680 by creation
01-14-2018 11:26 PM


Re: Correlations Correlations Correlations
creation writes:

Actually, in Oklo there are supposed to have been a chain of decays. Depending on the half lives, and when the reactions are thought to have happened, some isotopes would no longer be expected to be there because they would have decayed away. For example, if something was supposedly decaying for a few billion years, and something, say, had a half life of 50,000 years, when we look at what is there now, we would not expect to see the isotopes with the 50,000 year half life...would we? So, it would now be missing.

Not really. It depends on the technology and method on how much is detected. I would expect to find a low reading of long-gone isotopes in the equipment for a myriad of reasons. The ± in scientific articles mean a lot.

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Message 1045 of 1486 (843041)
11-12-2018 4:09 AM
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11-11-2018 4:30 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Faith writes:

Doesn't iridium most often come from meteors? That's why they trace the KT boundary to this big meteor they claim hit the Earth in that supposed time period. I figure what happened is that the meteor hit during the Flood and the timing was such that the iridium was carried on that particular layer which was dispersed throughout the world as all the sedimentary layers were being laid down during that event. Same basic idea, totally different timing and transport system.

This one is funny. The Barberton Sequence at, well, Barberton, outcrops and is not covered by that layer. A magical global fluddie, if it happened, would have covered that, too. It doesn't.

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Message 1069 of 1486 (843176)
11-14-2018 5:35 AM
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11-13-2018 8:09 PM


Re: Many floods, but no World Wide Flood
Yeah, a "different nature" won't help me in trying to predict what we will find underground when we get there.

Science works. There's no "different nature" of formation of rocks. Just the normal natural laws even though those rocks formed a long, long time ago...

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Message 1147 of 1486 (843864)
11-22-2018 6:49 AM
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11-21-2018 2:33 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:

No. If there was a major release of water (and other things it carried with it) that came from under the earth, and erupted violently, that also would be an impact.

Actually, phreatic eruptions have been studied extensively at the geological research institution I work for, for at least 90 years. The specialists know what deposits would be expected to be found. No evidence for magical global fluddies at all.

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Message 1160 of 1486 (843941)
11-23-2018 7:18 AM
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11-22-2018 6:41 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
This one is funny.
creation writes:

Why assume they were not there?? Science has no reasons either way. I have reasons. The fact is it exists and had to come from somewhere. It came right at the time of the great extinction. This has the earmarks of the flood.

Yeah, baby. All those platinum group metals. Next time you're gonna tell us that the 3 main lobes of the layered mafic Bushveld Igneous Complex were all poofed into existence as different sedimentary deposits in a magic fluddie.

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