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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
Curiously, not one of those is 40Ar ... It is probably because no one has tried it.
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
NoNukes writes: But what do cold temperatures do to those forces? Extreme cold makes metal brittle, for example.
Which implies nothing at all about Ar40. It turns out that Ar40 is composed of exactly the same nucleons as in 10 alpha particles. As a general rule, the lower weight nuclei composed in such a way are unusually stable isotopes. Examples C12, N14, O16 and Neon 20 are all stable. Above a certain atomic number, electrostatic repulsive forces become too great and more neutrons are needed to produce other forces to make a stable nucleus.
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
I think that it would have depend on a lot things which we don't know with certainty. Cooling takes more energy, and using liquid hydrogen as a proton source might work. (But it would be under these conditions.) I also need to know if K-ar and ar-K with atomic number 39 can work both ways.
Dyson is low-powered, but I don't which way you applied it. If Ar-K is more normal, then it would take less power. K-Ar is more likely with other atomic numbers. Then there is what NoNukes say about Ar-40 being a 10 size alpha particle. Does this make a difference? I can't solve these problems. I know someone who can, but unfortunately his past is too checkered for him to go public with it. Edited by OS, : No reason given. Edited by OS, : Need to specify conditions.
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
My general impressions of dendrochronology is that it is just stupid. You can't find the age of a tree by counting rings, but you can find the half-life of C-14 with a Geiger counter. And thus you carbon date the tree instead.
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
Tree rings don't tell you how old a tree is? They spread out with age. Sorry, but that one is true.
Secondly, you made the mistake of saying a Geiger counter is underpowered for finding C-14's half-life. Shame on you. So what is the problem with carbon dating tree dust. This has been done to the dead sea scrolls. Do you know what animal life does to C-14 by the way?
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
No, my knowledge about it comes from a medical pdf, and some physics stuff which is in depth enough. I know that the human body actively expels Carbon-14, but I can't find the documentation. If it ia anything to you, I don't believe it proves the age of the earth, or of anything other than a piece of paper.
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
It doesn't change the isotope, but it does expel it. Thus it has a body half life. I know by Isotopic Labeling. Carbon-14 is put into the body and used with an MRI.
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
I might be thinking fractionalization. I know Carbon-14 doesn't like water either.
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
The human body does not distinguish between C-14 and C-12. Only in that, it doesn't seem to get rid of Carbon-14; I am glad I can't find that PDF, because it makes arguing how it is poisonous easier. I have yet to acknowledge accurately dated corpses though. Is it harder to gauge the carbon level of a once live thing? Then there is the issue of 12,000 years and everything has decayed. Exponential decay exaggerates a lot of ages. Linear decay would be a better approach.
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
JonF writes: It hasn't been tried, especially with proton bombardment. How would you know then?
That's making a claim that it is possible. It isn't.
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
RAZD writes: No, you really don't. It is a thermodynamic calculation, and there is nothing to suggest isotopic concentrations don't have full lives.
Except that we KNOW that exponential decay matches the evidence and linear decay doesn't.
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
OS -- have you researched isotropic fractionation and the reservoir effect, as I suggested in previous posts? Yes, it has helped, but now I don't have good reason to say dating dinosaur bones with the method is terrible. I has noting to do with the range of the method-- I think.
I think this would clear up a few (of many) misconceptions.
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
I thought not. You thought wrong. I have done everything I can think of so far, but there are few articles on it. Doing this is quite uncommon. ??
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
I think it has more to do with bodily processes, but I am thinking I confused myself about results from corpses and wood.
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OS Member (Idle past 3530 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
Another characteristic of nutjobs is never admitting error. You claimed you never said 40Ar could be turned into 40K; Notice I didn't say that, but implied it. This is all shown by your quotes.
Now you're saying that it's likely proton bombardment is necessary? Ar-40 is a stable isotope. I don't think it would be stupid to try, but it would be complicated, an it might not be as successful as with other Argon isotopes. Edited by OS, : No reason given.
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