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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
If your question is "are there any hominid fossils whose exact placment in the lineage of man from ape-like ancestors is in doubt" the answer is YES. We aren't sure if they are great uncles or great grandfathers, to use non evo talk. What isn't in doubt is that they do represent what we would expect if man evolved from an ape-like anscestor. Even if they represent an offshoot of our direct branch back to the original ape/human anscestor, they still display the morphology we would expect.
So, my question, if you feel like answering it: Do you think the doubt in the exact placement of hominid fossils(great uncle or great grandfather) does away with the theory of man's evolution from an ape like anscestor?
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
I am thinking that the unexplanitory nature of the jigsaw phenomenon is in itself an indicator of the indirect evo approach concerning my thought pattern, further strengthening the defensive theory of my own.
However Ned was not mentioned as an unhelpful one, yet he seeks further clarification from the source fool P.s You have answered well, it is others who havent.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Thankyou Loudmouth you have indeed answered my question completely :
If your question is "are there any hominid fossils whose exact placment in the lineage of man from ape-like ancestors is in doubt" the answer is YES. - Your honesty is impeccable, I will seek the post of the month topic shortly. In answer to your question I do not think the evolution theory is in doubt as my question was simply based on itself. - I never have ulterior motives. [This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 11-20-2003]
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5215 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Mike,
P.s You have answered well [to Ned], it is others who havent. Well to be fair, you've avoided my point/question twice, posed in post 48, & again, with a more detailed response in post 54. The point being, that according to mainstream creationism there shouldn't be stratigraphic/morphological sequences at all, let alone lots of sequences with a few exceptions. Mark ------------------"The primary purpose of a liberal education is to make one's mind a pleasant place in which to spend one's time" - Thomas Henry Huxley
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
I am thinking that the unexplanitory nature of the jigsaw phenomenon is in itself an indicator of the indirect evo approach concerning my thought pattern, further strengthening the defensive theory of my own.
I would get a little nervous if I were you Mike. This sentence sounds a little like one of our other posters. You haven't clarified what the jigsaw phenomenon is yet. That might be helful. Here is another guess as to what you might be getting at. You don't think this is conclusive evidence for anything because it is a large number of bits and pieces that have to be fitted together like a jigsaw puzzle. If that is the case I find it a bit incredible that you would take that position. Of course, it is a large number of pieces of evidence. They are not all carefully arranged to make this easy. No one in their right mind would expect it to be that way. However, just as with assembling a jigsaw puzzle we can see how well the pieces fit, see if they follow the kind of cutting pattern of the type of puzzle we are working on and look for matches in the patten each piece. When the fit in unclear we can try it with others around it. Each attempted fit can be examined by several individuals and a consensus opinion offered (as my son and I do when we make puzzles together). This has been done. It is done with a degree of care and sophistication that is enormously beyond that of the most careful puzzler. It points to one conclusion. You, on the other hand, have no evidence, in pieces or otherwise. You don't like the evidence presented because it is hard for you. Well, tough. On the other hand maybe you do like it because it is hard to fit together and make the big picture show up. Like some of those on vairous creationists sites you want it to be difficult for the "man on the street". This allows for simplistic attacks, strawmen and lies to be used as weapons against the truth. Which side are you one Mike?
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
You, on the other hand, have no evidence, in pieces or otherwise. Evidence of what. Evidence of asking a question. I have already explained there is no ulterior motive. I am not here to bash the TOE but rather to ask layman questions, is this unreasonable?
You don't like the evidence presented because it is hard for you. Well, tough. Your string of facts bother me not your theory is fine it's evo's that are not. nothings too tough, I have heard, but establish first your preconceptions concerning me. Ps. Again I say, your theory is not in boubt because of my questions
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Jesus or God or the bible on this topic. The evolutionists did before me. Which is proof of their defensive position. As I have only asked questions of simplicity concerning a 'line of skulls', don't they deserve simple solutions? wasn't message 15 the first mention?And guess who wrote it? This seems intended for me, but I'm having trouble making out what it is trying to say.
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5052 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
I saw a 3-D puzzle of the GLOBE today in toy store for children which is promoted as requring NO INTERNAL SUPPORT while being pieced together. That was a surprise as I had not thought of Penrose tilings in a while. It would be easier to do this pizza the puzzle then explain why the Bible is an important part of the education of the evolutionist whom so far here insists the extant extent MUST be beyond the Earth AND have nothing to do WITH heaven. Oh - well. I'll take my lumps too. The jig could saw the laws of logic but if the mite is the size miterted it is just a plausibility which is put up against a true living tradition. One can always invert the question in the last word. The answer if it is must only change on the other end short of agreement. I hope this is taken in kind.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
Of course, the theory is not in doubt. Sorry about getting a little testy.
It is just that you aren't helping move this along by being clear in what you want to say or ask about. After awhile that starts to get annoying. It is the time taken to get a reasonably simple point sorted out that is becoming a problem. Could you fix that?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
You know thia is rather lovely poetry of a sort. It is meaningless like abstract art. But pretty to look at nonetheless.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5215 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Reminds me of those Haiku shenanigans going on in another thread, but with a shedload more vowels.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
You might have missed message 61 and 63 because they were indirectly to you also. The question was answered by Loudmouth and to an extent you. What puzzles me is people still think I have an ulterior motive. If you wish for clarification of the question still, I'll repeat it
[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 11-20-2003]
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5215 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Mike,
You might have missed message 61 and 63 because they were indirectly to you also [to Ned] And you might have missed posts 48, 54, & 64....And they were directly directed at you. Mark ------------------"The primary purpose of a liberal education is to make one's mind a pleasant place in which to spend one's time" - Thomas Henry Huxley
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
Sorry, Mike.
I guess this had gone on for so long I didn't realize we had actually finished something. Sort of over shot the mark I guess . Since you didn't carry on I don't know where this goes from here. Are we finished with this thread that you started? I'm left with a feeling of "so what?" now.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
I know the feeling, debate is useless sometimes. But I thought I would stick around for once and see it home.
Feel free to raise other questions, since message 1 was a bit silly anyway and the topic is 'no topic' you can ask more, just please aim them at yec's in general and not me
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