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jar
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Message 9 of 221 (310038)
05-07-2006 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Chiroptera
05-07-2006 4:41 PM


Carbon dating is not used to date fossils.
What about dating really young fossils?

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Message 14 of 221 (314207)
05-21-2006 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Molecular Machine
05-21-2006 7:37 PM


RATE Project
if you do a search here on RATE Project you will find a dozen or so threads where it's discussed.

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Message 46 of 221 (396142)
04-18-2007 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Cthulhu
04-18-2007 11:26 PM


The Dating Game.
Well many of my dates sank like a stone.

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jar
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Message 76 of 221 (396178)
04-19-2007 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by ArchArchitect
04-18-2007 11:45 PM


Re: Helpful Carbon Dating Link...NOT!
Check out this link about Carbon Dating.. It's really helpful.
Another great example of AIG lying because they know that Biblical Christians are gullible and easily fooled.
In the previous example I showed you how they cheated misusing radiocarbon dating to measure something older than the limits of measurement for that technique.
This link is an example of them cheating the other direction, misusing K-Ar dating to date something younger than the lower limit for that method.
From the lying link to AIG you provided:
There are many examples where the dating methods give ”dates’ that are wrong for rocks of known age. One example is K-Ar ”dating’ of five historical andesite lava flows from Mount Nguaruhoe in New Zealand. Although one lava flow occurred in 1949, three in 1954, and one in 1975, the ”dates’ range from less than 0.27 to 3.5 Ma.
Well no shit.
The lower range of today's K-Ar technology is around 200,000 years, some of the very best systems may read down to 100,000 years.
The people at AIG know that. Read the age of something that is 100,000 years old and you will get a reading of about 100,000 years using today's very best methods and equipment.
Test something that is 10,000 years old and you will get a reading of 100,000 years.
Test something that is 1,000 years old and you will get a reading of 100,000 years.
Test something that is 100 years old and you will get a reading of 100,000 years.
They knew that before they did the tests.
They were not looking for truth but rather the answer they wanted.
But this case is an even greater example of them lying.
One thing that happens during volcanic activity is that there are inclusions, pieces of older material broken off and carried in the magma.
Again, if they are scientists or even educated laypersons, they know that. Those inclusions will test older than the surrounding magma because, guess what???? They ARE older.
But AIG does NOT post those facts on their website because their goal is to con Biblical Creationists and they know that Biblical Creationists are so ignorant that they will not spot the flim-flam.
Taking money from the pockets of Biblical Creationists is easy work and relatively safe as con jobs go.

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jar
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Message 84 of 221 (396252)
04-19-2007 11:30 AM
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04-19-2007 12:16 AM


Re: Helpful Carbon Dating Link...NOT!
ArchArchitect asks:
Why are you attacking the Creationists?
A very important question.
I am not attacking Creationists, in fact I describe myself as a Creationist as you can see in Message 1.
What I attack is the Christian Cult of Ignorance tactics of dishonesty, misdirection and out right fraud.
The sources you site, groups like AIG and ICR and Discovery Institute get by because they misrepresent scientific facts as I showed you in their examples of using Radiocarbon dating to measure something older than the range possible using that method, or using K-Ar dating to measure something younger than the lower limits of that method, and not pointing out the issue of Inclusions.
Any Scientist and most educated laymen know those limitations. Yet the Biblical Creationist, ID folk continue their tactic of telling folk like yourself only part of the story.
They lie. They cheat. They misrepresent.
Their agenda is not to find out what is true, but to provide a convincing argument that ignorant folk will buy, and thus keep the money rolling in.

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jar
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Message 89 of 221 (396506)
04-20-2007 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by JonF
04-20-2007 9:06 AM


Yes, AIG and MOST Biblical Creationist sites lie!
The sad thing is that sites like AIG continue to post material that has not only been shown to be incorrect, but to really be just fraud and lies, even after being exposed. As long as they can continue to fool the general Christian public the money just keeps rolling in.
They know what they are doing and as long as the stream of money rolls in they are not concerned about honesty, truth or integrity.

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Message 144 of 221 (407321)
06-25-2007 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by Chiroptera
06-25-2007 5:32 PM


Re: Charlatans or sincere quacks?
Charlatans.
If you look, Thomas G. Barnes (daid, thank God) was an ICR Creationist and the First Dean of the bad joke called the ICR Graduate School.

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