Devil's advocate

Here's another (since you've all proved yourselves unworthy and incompetent to even try JON's request):*Phylogeny recapitulates Ontogeny (or vis versa)
(AKA, They look like gill slits to me)

Now, that's not quite fair. There may be some who are honest enough to admit that their belief is based on faith despite the evidence. And of course there are those who are still learning the facts - they may not stay creationists (especially not YECs) but until they understand the truth they may believe creationism.Unfortunately neither position really works for Jon's challenge.

See, this is the whole problem.Phylogeny-recapitulates-Ontogeny is NOT an evolutionist argument.It is a strawman often used by creationists to discredit evolution.Are you understanding the problem with this exercise yet?

Phillip,
I can happily provide as good an argument for creationism as any advocate of it, and so can others here. In fact, I will do so.Here we go: I believe god created the world. I believe it because the bible, my parents and my minister tell me so. I believe it despite the teachings of science. Since science does not agree with my beliefs, commonly accepted science must be wrong. Science institutions and journals ignore "creation science", so there must be a conspiracy, it cannot be that researchers who agree with me could be wrong. Complexity requires design and that means god, because Behe and Dembski tell me so. They are researchers that agree with me, so they must be right. The second law of thermodynamics does so show that evolution can't be true. All those physicists who say different are wrong or lying or part of the conspiracy. Information can't be created from nothing, so god made DNA, and a complex protein is so information.I think that about sums it up. I may have missed a few creationist favorites, and if so I'm sorry.

Ya blinkin idiot creos don't do the math, I say do the math. Say what? Yer supernatural god doesn't do math? Man, whaterya doin debatin science without tha math? Gitcher arss on outa this here science thread'n when ya learn ta do tha math, we'll talk!

Who were you meant to be imitating - William Dembski ?

No. I absolutely will not do the math. We creationists know the truth already, and the math might show we're wrong. So why should we do it? We know it can't be right if we disagree with it.goddiditgoddoditgoddidit!

I had nobody in particular in mind, Paul, but methinks a few long time evo residents here in town inspired it.

Man, any kid can add and subtract. Add it all up and subtract god and there you have it. Evo luttedit! Evo luttedit! Evo luttedit!!

I'm trying to be charitable in htis thread in the spirit of promoting understanding. So I'll assume that your post was simply a parody of creationists who make mathematical claims and then won't back them up by actually doing the math (and come to that, that does describe Dembski). It is unfortunate that creationists so often confuse their ill-founded opinions with facts.

Ain't it tha truth, Paul! Ya took the words right offa my keyboard.
Them bullheaded creos wouldn't know a fact if it booted them square in the arss!

What does "Evo luttedit" mean?Back to being a creo:How dare you disagree with me? How dare you ask for evidence or for me to support my assertions? Haven't I repeated them over and over and over? Isn't that proof enough? You are not debating! To debate you have to accept everything I say as fact! That's what debate is.If you persist in your unreasonable requests that I provide evidence or reply to criticisms of my utterly correct and self evident points (after all, I believe them) I will have to withdraw with dignity, which is nothing at all like turning tail and fleeing like a whipped cur in face of defeat.

So you are suggesting that evolutionists "know too much" whereas creationists "lack the knowledge"? WRONG! Ding Ding Ding...
Many Creationists are every bit as learned as any "educated" person.
Some evolutionists, while clever in book learning, cannot follow a simple faith concept.

1) The definition of creation is "to bring into existance".
2) Things began to exist at that big ol explosionergo creationism is true!! This message has been edited by happy_atheist, 11-16-2004 07:39 PM

But evolution has no faith concept to follow.