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sidelined Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
kendermeyer
Thanks for being generous. Please draw your attention to this website. http://www.issol.org/archive/newsF99.html#center Here you may find the despair present in the president of the ISSOL as outlined in this message.
New President Message A Note from ISSOL's President : ISSOL Welcomes the New Millennium Now nearly four decades old, ISSOL and its science enter the new millennium with great expectations and renewed vigor. As never before, in virtually every corner of the globe there is a flood of interest in and active research on the origin of life in its Cosmic setting -- on planet Earth, elsewhere in our solar system, and literally light-years beyond. New questions, new insights, new data, new initiatives are stirring the science. Breakthrough discoveries are shattering long-held notions. Colleagues in related fields are paying close attention. The press is chomping at the bit. The public is captivated! In some quarters these advances are umbrelled as "astrobiology" in others, "exobiology" in still others, "bioastronomy" or "cosmobiology." But however they are known and wherever they occur, they all have a home in ISSOL -- the single existing interdisciplinary, international, independent scientific organization of its kind worldwide. Thanks to the gifted leadership of President Andr Brack and the yeoman contributions of Jeff Bada and the Organizing Committees which so graciously brought us together at ISSOL'99 in San Diego, our society is poised to enter the new millennium as the leading voice in promoting our science around the globe. Our track record is outstanding. Our triennial meetings, superb. Our support of students and younger workers, exemplary. Our journal, Origins of Life and Evolution of the Biosphere, sterling. Our membership -- active, interactive, and rapidly expanding. And at a cost of only US$35/yr (for Associate Members, a scant $25), ISSOL is a terrific "best buy"! Welcome your colleagues and students to join our ranks! If over the next three years each ISSOLian recruits just one new member from the surging tide of workers worldwide with interest in our field, we can double our numbers by the forthcoming, July 2002, triennial meeting in Oaxaca, Mexico. Invite your friends into our science. Tell them of our great success. Let them know that they, too, are welcome in ISSOL's growing family! J. William Schopf President of ISSOL Omigod how utterly devestated they are ,so devoid of purpose and direction.thanks for pointing out the hopelessness of it all! LOL!!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yep -- it looks like abiogensis, like evolution, will shortly be tossed on the dust heap of sciences gone bad.
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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lfen Member (Idle past 4704 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Yep -- it looks like abiogensis, like evolution, will shortly be tossed on the dust heap of sciences gone bad. Absolutely, you can bet your bottom dollar on it. The mountain of fictious evidence has been swept away by a couple of savvy citations by Ken who speaks the inspired word of God. Give it up! Abiogensis and the theory of evolution, genetics, geology, astrophysics will all be swept away when the Kingdom of God is established here any day. No more studying mathamatics, or going to school, no more laboratories, no work. It's over with. Ken has spoken so you know it's true. lfen
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
TO: Chiroptera
You wrote:
quote: One of the psychological characteristics of "skeptical business decison makers" besides self absorbtion is the characteristic of loathing to accept responsibility and admit mistakes(I demonstrated now professed atheist and "skeptical business decisions makers shared some traits). So I wish to know now if you "guess" you made a "couple" (couple implies two but can also mean several) of assertions or if you know you made some assertions. Because if you cannot admit mistakes there is no point debating a hardhead. Lastly, Bradley was or is a engineering professor and consultant with an expertise in polymers and thermodynamics who has written some notable books regarding the origin or life if memory serves. TO: All A professed atheist does not necessarily mean a genuine atheist. Also, keep the thread on topic. The topic is regarding the regularity of despair of professed materialists in the scientific community as a whole. So I need to know now if I
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
to: sidelined
Please see my previous post regarding the threads focus. One man does not make a scientific community.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: So why are you spending time typing psycho-babble about other posters? And, if I read your original post correctly, it was about a mood of despair at a particular conference. As far as your comment about my making assetians: Yes, I said that I made no assertians in this thread. Yes, you found several declaritive sentences that I typed. So, yes, by definition of assertian, I was wrong and made several assertians. However, whether I did or did not make any assertians doesn't seem to be relevant to your OP. Is this the sort of rhetorical points that you savor?
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
to: chiroptera
Thank you for letting me know that I am not necessarily dealing with a obstinant hardhead. I appreciate your last post. Sincerely, Ken
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
to: chiroptera
Thank you for letting me know that I am not necessarily dealing with a obstinant hardhead who is unwilling to admit mistakes. I appreciate your last post of clarification. I will not belabor this point. Sincerely, Ken
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote:If you wish.
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
TO: chiroptera
I am not writing about the assertion issue in order to belabor the point but to give you a chance to explain yourself because I certainly did indicate your assertions could likely be due to incompetence rather than misrepresentation due to other reasons. I certainly would not want to impugn a guiltless party. I wrote in the other thread at: http://EvC Forum: Psychology looks at atheism and theism. Also, atheism is tenuous/non-existent/rare .. -->EvC Forum: Psychology looks at atheism and theism. Also, atheism is tenuous/non-existent/rare .. teh following:
quote: I also realize that your Mayo Clinic comment can also be due to incompetence....[/quote] Now you, chroptera, yourself wrote:
quote: I, kendemyer, replied regarding the issue of incompetence:
quote: Now here is something you may wish to consider that I recently wrote at: http://EvC Forum: Psychology looks at atheism and theism. Also, atheism is tenuous/non-existent/rare .. -->EvC Forum: Psychology looks at atheism and theism. Also, atheism is tenuous/non-existent/rare .. TO: chiroptera Tell you what, I, kendemyer, did write the following: quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At the same time, I think you must face the reality that your posts in this thread are rather quixotic at this point. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now you wrote that I was exercising an ad hominem regarding your testimony by giving the evidence I presented. I will give you a chance for you to tell us exactly why the material in post #212 occurred and the Mayo Clinic incident. I certainly think a person has the right to explain himself and I would not hinder this in any way.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
kendermeyer
You are the one who said and I quote " I would take even one out of charitableness." I gave you one and now you wish to move the goalpost.{sigh}
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The topic is regarding the regularity of despair of professed materialists in the scientific community as a whole. You haven't shown that (1) they are all "materialists" (whatever that means in regards to science ... smells of strawman caricature to me) OR (2) that they are in despair. Nor have you addressed the issue of it not being a dichotomy at all, negating your first sentence
I would say that if you want to push God out of the picture then the abiogenesis hypothesis is certainly doing no pushing for you. see http://EvC Forum: abiogenesis hypothesis and the despair of professed materialist Enjoy we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
One interesting find does not make a conference upbeat. What does make a conference upbeat? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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lfen Member (Idle past 4704 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
You haven't shown that (1) they are all "materialists" (whatever that means in regards to science ... smells of strawman caricature to me) OR (2) that they are in despair. Nor have you addressed the issue of it not being a dichotomy at all, negating your first sentence RAZD, hey, you aren't getting it. Ken doesn't have to show us anything. God told him, so he knows. Listening to Ken is listening to God. He gave us the study and the quote what more do you need. Ken has put an end to science. He has totally demolished abiogenesis and ToE. But Ken is so humble he won't take credit, it was God working through Ken that has over thrown all this godless science being perpetuated by lying double minded theists falsely claiming to be atheists. I mean theists who lie about being theists by claiming falsely to be atheists well that's the worst kind of theist I would think, and they have double minds! What ever double minds are. Stop arguing with Ken, it's like arguing with God, well, like arguing with God when he is being silly. God is omnipotent, I mean, he can be silly if he wants, right? Well, he created Ken, at least that is one possibility. lfen
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are you saying I'll have to wait for GOD to tell me what makes a conference upbeat?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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