Israel the blessing or the curse

I wanted it to be Bible study because its all about prophecy happening in the present. Then moose change the title I tried to change the title again but "its still is not right" cause all natural judgments are not all related to Israels land some are related to heathen nation judgments like the tusami of Indonesia, etc...P.S. I'm only willing to discuss this topic from the bible study not the coffee house defining whats on topic. Time to take a Percy break but request this thread be closed because its not in bible study!

Adminnemooseus closed this thread in response to JohnFolton's request, who felt it belongs in the Bible Study forum. But the Free For All forum is a place where irrationality with no rules can reign, and given the posts made to this thread so far this is the proper venue, so I'm reopening it.

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Hurrah

I have a question for my spelunking physicist friend:
what natural disasters have struck the UK in the past 60 years?

Well, several trees were blown over in the great storm, 20 years ago. And quite a few people had their ground floors ruined by some floods last year. A couple of mini-tornados have taken off some tiles. Number of fatalities - a few handfuls I guess from natural 'disasters' - God really is trying to detsroy us - he's just crap at it.

A while ago, we had an earthquake, and one guy got a broken pelvis. We also had a mini tornado around the same time, and a dog had to be treated because some roof tiles fell on him. So, we're obviously not perfect in the eyes of God, but there's plenty of evidence in His kindness to us that we are His true chosen people, as some Victorians believed at the height of empire.And we have a long standing policy of not selling arms to the Israelis. Perhaps you guys should try it.

You kidding? I'm not so happy about extensive military support for a nuclear-armed racist theocracy on a hair-trigger. With the way their "democracy" works, I'd rather pull out all support until they stop their bigoted policies.I think the entire idea of setting up Israel by carving up the Middle East after WW2, essencially displacing people who already lived there in favor of a racial group, is inherantly disgusting. I understand sympathy for Jews after the Holocaust, and cartainly the victims of that abhorrent stain on human history should have been given massive compensation and care...but a country made specifically for Jews, where citizenship can be granted by race and where theocracy is nearly fully implimented? That wasn't a solution.Ut oh. Should I watch out for lightning bolts and earthquakes and hurricanes? Surely, God's punishment will be upon me for supporting gays and not supporting Israel!...of course, since I don't live in an area that gets hurricanes or near a faultline, and we almost never get lightning storms here, I somehow think I'm safe. Odd, how God's punishment seems to be related more to natural atmospheric patterns than ideology...

You may be onto something here Rahvin.There are two possibilities.1)Religious people are attracted to dangerous places and concentrate there more than non-religious people. Maybe they feel more at home with god slinging lightning bolts and tornadoes?2)Living in a disaster zone is likely to increase your belief in religion, or further cement any belief you previously had.Thus, the secular north-east, which has few major natural disasters, and the religious deep south, which loves hurricanes and drought, and the bigoted midwest (only 'cause its the home of Phelps) with its F4 tornadoes.Hmm. Nah, that can't be right.

God just has really really shitty aim. GWB and company are in DC and yet he aims the hurricanes at the southern coast of the US? I think he should get his vision checked.

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You would think it's difficult to miss with a hurricane the size of Ike, but I guess it's true.Although, in god's defense, Bush does have property in Texas, was the governor of texas, and made a fly-by of the devastated region. So god can't aim, releases prematurely, and lets go too late. Not much of a bowler.

Either that or a few Carribean islands need to change their foriegn policies in relation to Israel.

I visited Israel/Palestine about 20 years ago, and it was one of a number of experiences that helped turn me from a run of the mill atheist into an anti-theist. But that wasn't just due to the Israelis, but the role that Islam plays as well, and the distorted view of many Christians who read racist biblical texts about a chosen tribe going to a promised land.Actually, there are a lot of very thoughtful secular Jews in Israel, many of them, not surprisingly, anti-religious, and many who strongly oppose government policies on settlement and other things (as I'm sure you know), but there are not enough of them to predominate.I think we can take it as an axiom that if we hear about a particular God who favours a particular historical tribe, then that tribe invented that God. It's ancient racism. When Moses encourages his tribe to commit a genocide, the excuse is that the other tribe offended the God who favours the Jews (reading between the lines, there was probably a dispute over land, a problem of lebensraum, as another tribe would put it a few thousand years later).

The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet. akjv Nahum 1:3

Excellent point, lebensraum (living room to those who do not understand German or who are ignorant of the causes or World War II)

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Actually 2/3 of the jewish people voted to forsake gaza given Israel is just tenants and its Gods land prophecy has it only 1/3 of the people of Israel will survive the coming apocolypse.