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TechnoCore

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Message 12 of 27 (93230)
03-18-2004 7:45 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by tgrmst
03-17-2004 9:14 PM

The free will can only act upon the given choices at any moment.
Does that mean i really have a choice? What inside me is it that makes me doing a specific chioce?

Either i estemate the benefits of each particular choice and choose whats best for me. (Given short and long-term considerations) I don't think its possible to make a bad choice. The choice I make is the sum of alot of considerations. I might make a choice that seem bad for me, just because i feel to do so. But that choice will still be the best choice given all circumstances. Maybe Im bored and boredom is the effect you get from making to many sane and predictable choices in a row. So now I go and do some really stupid choices to get in a better mood.

So I have no choice after all

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Message 22 of 27 (93426)
03-19-2004 7:51 PM

Reply to: Message 17 by Dr Jack
03-19-2004 5:45 AM

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Why cannot we determine the future and god simply know what we will do?

Are you serious ?
Who did make you ? God.
What did he give you ? Free will.
What does he know? Everything that will happen.

So.. He knows all your actions before you've done them, and he CREATED you. Then every action you will ever make is just directly dependant on what what he created initially. So creating you, in the way you are, he already made all the choices you will ever make. For you.

That, is NOT free will.

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Message 26 of 27 (93694)
03-21-2004 4:17 PM

Reply to: Message 23 by Primordial Egg
03-20-2004 3:06 AM

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If you were to meet your doppelganger in the other Universe, would there be any point in trying to determine which of you actually had free will, and which of you merely had the illusion of free will?

Not for me no, thats true. I agree with you on that. But it does make God a quite horrible chap doesn't it? He creates me into a beeing who he knows will make the choice of not beliving in him, and therefore I'll be sent to hell for eternal suffering. Thats sadistic. Or how else could it be interpreted?

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Artistic originality, on the other hand, is a real problem in a Universe with an omniscient being... difficult to believe God wouldn't have sat down (with a toke?) to chill out listening to an Orbital album before setting about making the Universe and mankind and stuff...which kinda means that music (and by extension all other creative art) is discovered rather than created.

Haven't thought about that

But unless you belive there is a ultimate beauty, in a way like Platon's real world, then beauty is in the eye of the beholder. No?
Which then again is up to free will... or whatever...

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