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Topic: The Unbended Curved Bar Space Slugout Thread
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 15 of 413 (481287)
09-10-2008 10:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
09-10-2008 10:01 AM
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Re: Once More Unto the Breach
Higher dimension...do not have access to." That's interesting. That argument doesn't cut it in the science fora for theistic creationists who cite evidence of higher dimensional intelligence in the universe capable of ID.
Did you not read what PaulK wrote? He specifically said that we're not talking about a dimension as a place. I'll repeat his quote maybe you could actually read it, sound out the words if you have to.
Our space is curved in a higher dimension which we do not have access to. (Forget sci-fi ideas about other dimensions, this is a dimension as length is a dimension).
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 64 of 413 (481591)
09-11-2008 7:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 62 by Buzsaw
09-11-2008 6:51 PM
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Re: Purpose Of Thread Clarified And Updated Relative To Responses
I go with the ones who think there are no such properties of space capable of being curved
And as usual you'd be wrong.
Any engineer will attest to that and zillions of miles will not change that.
False. I am an engineer and I understand that an infinitly long, straight bar will eventually meet up with itself. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 67 of 413 (481597)
09-11-2008 7:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 66 by Buzsaw
09-11-2008 7:28 PM
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Re: Purpose Of Thread Clarified And Updated Relative To Responses
Great Doc! You're the man we want.
I'm an engineer, not a physicist. You've already been given the answer by actual physicists that you've ignored.
We need you to explain to us here
Why should I? you've already appointed yourself the smartest man on Earth, your arrogance will just cause you to ignore the answer yet again.
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 80 of 413 (481618)
09-11-2008 9:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 75 by Buzsaw
09-11-2008 8:38 PM
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Re: Purpose Of Thread Clarified And Updated Relative To Responses
I'm beginning to see why we're not getting some substantive answers to my arguments.
You've been given substantive answers, you're just too blinded by your arrogance to notice. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 82 of 413 (481624)
09-11-2008 9:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 81 by Buzsaw
09-11-2008 9:29 PM
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Re: Purpose Of Thread Clarified And Updated Relative To Responses
what is the property of space, which allows for it to be curved?
Curvature is a property of space. What you're asking is akin to "what is the property of a square that allows it to have 4 sides of equal length at right angles to each other".
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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 221 of 413 (482986)
09-19-2008 12:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 216 by Buzsaw
09-19-2008 10:02 AM
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Re: BUMP FOR ANSWER TO QUESTIONS BY SOMEONE
All you did is repeat your unsubstantiated claim that 4D is required
Unsubstantiated? Tell me Buz how would you model the movement of an object in 3D in a given period of time without using 4 dimensions?
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 227 of 413 (483007)
09-19-2008 2:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 223 by Buzsaw
09-19-2008 1:36 PM
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Re: BUMP FOR ANSWER TO QUESTIONS BY SOMEONE
There you go again, attempting to slip in the time non-spatial time dimension which has nothing to do with my 3D rigid bar through the back door
This isn't about your model Buz, thats further down the line once we establish whether or not you can count to 4.
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 232 of 413 (483031)
09-19-2008 4:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 229 by Buzsaw
09-19-2008 3:32 PM
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Re: BUMP FOR ANSWER TO QUESTIONS BY SOMEONE
See message 228
Like I said, once we establish your ability to count to 4 we'll go over why your model is bullshit. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 233 of 413 (483033)
09-19-2008 4:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 228 by Buzsaw
09-19-2008 3:30 PM
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Re: BUMP FOR ANSWER TO QUESTIONS BY SOMEONE
1. What property of space would curve the suddenly extended bar? 2. What would cause the bar's 2 ends to connect?
The curvature of space
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 258 of 413 (483204)
09-20-2008 6:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 257 by Buzsaw
09-20-2008 5:46 PM
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Re: discriminating
I don't see my spaceview as flat
So then you're no longer denying that space has curvature? How does your "model" explain the precession of the perihelion of Mercury? Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 260 of 413 (483206)
09-20-2008 6:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 257 by Buzsaw
09-20-2008 5:46 PM
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Re: discriminating
That's why conventional science uses a 2D model to model the universe
No they use a 2D analogy to try to explain the universe to people uneducated in the topic matter. This has been explained to repeatedly, why do you contuine to lie about it? edit: this should be a reply to your message 256 Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 285 of 413 (483393)
09-21-2008 10:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 282 by Buzsaw
09-21-2008 9:28 PM
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Re: Incompetent Or Nonconformist?
If the length, dimension, the depth dimension and the height dimensions of the curved form become curved, the time dimension allows for the dimensions (in time) to become parallel which would be three parallel geometric RM lines rather than Euclidean lines at 90 degree angles to one another.
What the fuck is this word salad supposed to mean Buz? The three dimensions never become parallel. They are always orthoganal to each other. This is more evidence that you're full of shit when it comes to this topic.
The problem is whether space has the property of curvature. That is the problem we will likely never come to terms on in this debate.
Because you're too arrogant to admit that you're wrong. We have direct evidence that space is curved and you ignore it when its presented to you. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 289 of 413 (483407)
09-22-2008 12:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 287 by Buzsaw
09-22-2008 12:15 AM
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Re: Incompetent Or Nonconformist?
Once curved, all dimensions of space would become parallel to the mass horizon of the universe as I understand it. The only way for them to be orthogonal would be for no time dimension to be applied. Correct, anybody?
Wrong, again.
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 347 of 413 (484213)
09-27-2008 12:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 345 by Buzsaw
09-27-2008 12:06 AM
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Re: Rehashing The Definition Of Straight
in the real universe is that my Euclidean model falsifies your GR model
Really Buz? How does your bullshit model explain the precession of the perihelion of Mercury? Show your math.
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 391 of 413 (484490)
09-28-2008 8:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 390 by Buzsaw
09-28-2008 8:38 PM
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Re: Crazy Christians for Curvature.
So if folks who say they believe the record believe in a temporal universe they're obviously mistaken since there would be no space in which he could exist eternally
Who says god needs a space to exist in? I never knew you beleived in such a limited godling Buz.
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod MinistryLive every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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