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Message 102 of 413 (481797)
09-12-2008 4:46 PM

Reply to: Message 75 by Buzsaw
09-11-2008 8:38 PM

Re: Purpose Of Thread Clarified And Updated Relative To Responses

Buz writes:

That's two of you, my antagonists, now who admit to having insufficient knowledge to evaluate who's POV is valid.

It appears that we're narrowing the qualified opponents to intelligently counter my POVs down somewhat. I'm beginning to see why we're not getting some substantive answers to my arguments.

Buz writes:

Perhaps it's good for the physicists and savvy on the cosmos to be confronted by the laity with logical things like this.

Some have admitted that my POV on this topic would make sense to the man/woman on the street, some of who are watching. Perhaps as well, this is a good read so as for the street folk to have an advocate in here taking the heat for them and evaluate whether some of what they think can be defended.

I must say, Buz old bean, you've truly outdone yourself in this thread. My compliments.

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Message 115 of 413 (481981)
09-13-2008 6:43 PM

Reply to: Message 111 by Buzsaw
09-13-2008 6:02 PM

Re: At the heart of the matter...

Buz old bean, you really need to get into the habit of reading everything on a webpage when you cite it. This is from the Wiki page on Space:

In the 19th and 20th centuries mathematicians began to examine non-Euclidean geometries, in which space can be said to be curved, rather than flat. According to Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity, space around gravitational fields deviates from Euclidean space.[3] Experimental tests of general relativity have confirmed that non-Euclidean space provides a better model for explaining the existing laws of mechanics and optics.

If space is curved, it follows logically that anything in space is curved, unless it has some property that allows it to leave space.

Please, feel free to ignore this and continue with your own delusional ramblings.

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Message 135 of 413 (482093)
09-14-2008 5:38 PM

Reply to: Message 134 by Blue Jay
09-14-2008 4:35 PM

Re: At the heart of the matter...

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Wrap your head around that, and you just might understand the argument yet!

I'd be willing to lay very long odds against that happening.

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Message 271 of 413 (483268)
09-21-2008 9:57 AM

Reply to: Message 267 by Buzsaw
09-20-2008 10:43 PM

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Like you, I cannot prove what I understand the properties of it to be.

Well, at least you understand that your "model" is unfalsifiable. Now, can you explain why gravitational lensing isn't evidence that space curves?

Edited by subbie, : No reason given.

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Message 274 of 413 (483274)
09-21-2008 10:44 AM

Reply to: Message 273 by Buzsaw
09-21-2008 10:42 AM

Re: Proof Not Required For Falsifiability

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LOL! If proof is the requisite for falsifiability, then conventional science's spaceview is unfalsifiable.

Wonderful. Can you explain why gravitational lensing isn't evidence that space curves?

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Message 278 of 413 (483282)
09-21-2008 12:01 PM

Reply to: Message 277 by Buzsaw
09-21-2008 11:46 AM

Re: Incompetent Or Nonconformist?

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and I am competent enough to remain unempirically refuted/KO'd

Of course, the only reason you can even claim this is because you ignore questions you can't answer. For example, can you explain why gravitational lensing isn't evidence that space curves? I'd venture to guess that you could start now and would hit the (hypothetical) 300 post limit of this thread before you answered all the unanswered questions in the thread.

By your standards, my Gravity does not exist "model" has not been empirically refuted.

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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