The Unbended Curved Bar Space Slugout Thread

Buz, this attitude is surprising and somewhat unique. One of the founders of modern cosmology and originators of a commonly used description of the universe (the Friedmann-Lematre-Robertson-Walker metric) is Georges Lematre. You can read about him here, where you will see that he was a Jesuit priest, very active in the church, definitely believed in god and christian doctrine, and yet was one of the originators of the BBT and the mathematics that describe it. He (if he were still alive) and many other christian cosmologists who have no trouble believing in god and a closed, curved universe would find your statement to be confusing or just a non sequitur, and would chalk it up to ignorance of modern geometry, or of christianity, or both.____________________________________
If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve.Edited by AnswersInGenitals, : No reason given.

Buz, after almost 400 posts (And I'm not sure why this topic hasn't been closed. New rules?) I think it is time to either spit or get off a shot. So lets do an actual, real experiment to test your flat space theory against Einstein's curved space theory. This is a simple experiment you can do in your own home using materials you can but at your local hardware store for a few dollars*. First, build two super precise cesium atom clocks accurate to one part per trillion. Next, take the two clocks to your local airport and synchronize them exactly. Next, arrange a series of airline flights that will take you around the world and return you to your local airport. Take one of the clocks with you on these flights. When you finally get back to your airport, compare the two clocks. If you and Isaac Newton are right, the two clocks will still show the exact same time (to within that one part per trillion accuracy). If Einstein and his equations are right, the clock that went around the world will be behind the stay-at-home clock by many nanoseconds. Let us know how the experiment came out. Show all your work.*Well, ok, it may cost more than a few dollars and you have to leave your house, so you might want to get a few close friends involved.This experiment has been performed, of course, and the traveling clock did not just come up slower that the stay-at-home clock, it differed by exactly the amount predicted by Einstein's equations! (If I weren't so lazy, I would find you a web reference, but I'm sure one of our more active contributors will be happy to provide that.) What these equations say is happening is that both clock start at the same point in space-time (your local airport and the time at which you synchronize them at the beginning of the experiment), but then travel slightly different paths to wind up together at a final point in space-time (again at your airport and the time at the end of the experiment when you compare the clocks). The stay-at-home clock follows a sort of straight path while the traveling clock follows a sort of slightly corkscrewed path, a little longer in space and a little shorter in time.Please let us know when you have repeated this simple experiment so that we can announce to the world the Buzsaw has scientifically disproved the existence of god.-------------------------------------------------------
If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve.

Is it? Can't an omnipotent god be youthful and temporal if he wants to be? Who are we mere humans, seeped in sin and ignorance, to think that god is reducible to understanding by our logic, as you are doing by labeling as nonsensical any statement pertaining to god? I could, with equal (and equally blasphemous) logic insist that god came into being exactly 13.7 billion or 6,000 years ago because that's precisely when he chose to come into existence! How is my assertion any more or less valid than yours? A youthful, temporal god resolves many of the philosophical conflicts we've had on these pages. Perhaps, Buz, you're just getting to old to entertain the exciting new ideas that will lead us to true enlightenment.

No, that is not what you posted. What you posted is: Nothing about some "record". The second quote is from post # 387 posted at 03:40. The first from post # 390 posted at 05:38, just two hours later and your completely confused about what you had said. Jees, I thought my attention span was limited! What you did post simply states that if the universe is finite in time then god is youthful and temporal. For some reason, you think that this is total nonsense. I merely pointed out that this is as valid an assumption about god as the equally arbitrary life span you seem to prefer to assign to him. BS, you need to pay attention to what you said. Savvy?By the way, how are you coming on those atomic clocks?Edited by AnswersInGenitals, : Because the voices told me to.