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SkepticScand Inactive Member |
Well, your "matrix"-approach to this question might satisfy your perception of the world, but have nothing to do with the real world physics. The gravity pull of any object actually bends space, the larger the object (or densier the mass), the bigger the gravity pull. Just check this out with your fellow country man, Stephen Hawking (one of the greatest geniouses today who has explained the existence of black holes). I'm sure he will answer any questions you might have regarding space and worm holes
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
We can't bend space and travel through foreshortened worm holes there is no space to bend. Observations of bent space tend to prove you wrong, don't you think? It's funny that you accuse another person of mistating relativity and then go ahead and ignore it yourself.
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SkepticScand Inactive Member |
Hi again V-Bird,
You wrote: "Time travel cannot be mathematically feasible because we have no mathematics for time!" We do actually have mathematics for time. Time is often considered to be the fourth dimension. You can read more about how to incorporate time into your everyday mathematics here: http://www.jimloy.com/physics/4d.htm
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V-Bird Member (Idle past 5611 days) Posts: 211 From: Great Britain Joined: |
This is 'Real World Physics' gravity does not bend space.
I will explain further... What is bent is energy-matter, this is what really exists. Spacetime is a misnomer. For the path of energy to curve, it must be curved by one of energy's own physical forces. If space [nothingness] acted on energy to curve its path, then something with no physical attributes [physical force] is acting on physical things. You are not measuring space and time, space and time are the measurements. The grid, continuum and the manifold of "spacetime" are only abstract methods of measurement that do not exist in the real cosmos. In the same way that the longitude and lattitude grid on a globe of the earth do not really exist, the space grid doesn't either, they our way to measure and have location references for both ships and spaceships. When we start objectifying space and time, we often make the mistake of trying to manipulate them, as if they have physical attributes. Edited to make it less intellectually 'challenging' [This message has been edited by V-Bird, 03-22-2004]
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V-Bird Member (Idle past 5611 days) Posts: 211 From: Great Britain Joined: |
The above is basic quantum theory made simple, I would expect any of my post-gradutes to know this.
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V-Bird Member (Idle past 5611 days) Posts: 211 From: Great Britain Joined: |
Read the above.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Well, feel free to ignore a half-century of observations and theory in physics, but I for one don't see why we should return to your Newtonian world rather than the relativistic models that, unlike Newton's, actually model astronomical interactions.
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SkepticScand Inactive Member |
I enjoy this conversation, but I think it's time to hit the sack. It's getting late here in Norway, and I could probably go on all night discussing this topic. Anyway, I would advise you to read up on the latest progress in String Theory at http://tena4.vub.ac.be/beyondstringtheory/main.html
Once you get the grasp of that, you will surely understand more about the physics of what you are trying to explain to me... Good night And Crashfrog, thanks for the support
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V-Bird Member (Idle past 5611 days) Posts: 211 From: Great Britain Joined: |
Read the link and realise that he is saying the same as me, it is merely a measurement, it has no existence in itself.
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V-Bird Member (Idle past 5611 days) Posts: 211 From: Great Britain Joined: |
The observations are exactly what I am using, it is you that have not the depth to see what is before you.
The myth of time travel is based on the lazy minded approach of most humans to measurement concepts.This results in treating the dimensions [all four] as if they are components of existence that manipulate energy and matter and, in turn, can potentially be manipulated themselves. [This message has been edited by V-Bird, 03-22-2004]
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SkepticScand Inactive Member |
OK. I'm sorry, just had to throw this in here before I went to bed. I posted the wrong link earlier. Just wanted to give an insight of the String Theory, and especially the M-Theory "theory of everything", which will probably solve the time travel dilema. This was the link I should have posted:
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V-Bird Member (Idle past 5611 days) Posts: 211 From: Great Britain Joined: |
The first one was better...
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V-Bird Member (Idle past 5611 days) Posts: 211 From: Great Britain Joined: |
It at least had some real content and the 'merit' of being correct.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
it is you that have not the depth to see what is before you. Ah, right. Name-calling. Now I know you must be right. I'm convinced - an anonymous internet poster told me I'm an idiot if I don't believe him, so I am compelled!
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V-Bird Member (Idle past 5611 days) Posts: 211 From: Great Britain Joined: |
It is an observation, don't take it too much to heart.
I have explained that time is not physical, it has no energy, it is a measurement that allows us to put things in order. Try this, it might guide you along the path some more. We have a Government, but Government does not exist does it. You can walk to the The Houses of Parliament/Congress and there is a Government Building we can meet our MPs'/Congressmen but ask any of them 'Where is the Government' and you will get a blank look, the poor fellow wil likely wave his arm around and say 'This is it', because Government is also an abstract, 'a' Government is real, but that is as far as it goes. That is what is wrong with your thinking, just because you conceptualise something in your mind it does not make it have physical reality. Time and Space are the same, they are only the tools for description, like 'Miles per hour' Are you any closer yet? [This message has been edited by V-Bird, 03-22-2004]
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