The End of Life

I remember that. Early to mid 60's, great music, fantastic smells and colors. Yup, balance them chemicals in the brain. Always did look good in tie dye.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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If there is no reason to anything, then why does it exist? A simple, logical question.

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You forgot a step in your logic: Do things have to have a "reason" to exist? There are things in the world that seem to have no other reason than to just exist (eg, a rock buried 2 miles under the earth). If things can exist without a reason, then why are human beings any different. Wanting a meaning for life is different than a meaning actually existing. There are wants that have no fullfilment, itches that can never be scratched. Why should the meaning of life be any different? Just because we want something to be by no means makes it come into being. At least, this has been my experience.You seem to be delving into the Anthropic principle, that everything we see is here for human beings to experience. Given that we can only experience things within this solar system, or within this galaxy, means that we are observing < 0.0000000000000000001% of things that happen within the universe. And this is assuming that we observe everthing that happens on every planet within this solar system. It would seem that things are happening outside of the experience of man, and therefore experience itself is not owned by man. There is no reason for us to LOGICALLY contrive a meaning for our existence, other than the reason for suns, moons, suns, and galaxies. We are a consequence of reality. Reality is not a consequence of our being.

Are you calling me a forum wh*re? Are you saying you'd pay to squeeze fun from my wizbit? Do I exist to ammuse Unseul? I still say I don't exist according to your theory, I mean, why should I, why would I, why could I? Time to join the "why" club Unseul. It is your inescapable unavoidable reason for life. Also, answered prayers will bring you more happiness than not asking!As for chemicals in your brain, why do they make you happy? Why should they, why woulld they, why could they?

Fraid my memory only gets back to about 1988 and i was only knee high to a grasshopper then.But the chemical balancing can be fun. Way i see it happiness is all that counts, but im finding im getting better and better at finding things to make me laugh in every situation, maybe im just a little insane too. But that said mad people are sorted if their the right sorta mad, get looked after, happy all the time in there own little world with no worries, Bas****s.Unseul

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Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life....Do unto others before they do unto you.

You forget that many a star is a glory to God. The universe glorifies God. Not everything is for us, you are right. Ultimately, we are all because of God.

Yes in my mind your only reason for existence is to amuse me. But im sure you would disagree. According to the way your reading my theory i wouldnt exist. There is no need for should, as far as would is concerned, well its your choice to keep living, you could exist because chance, and evolution etc and various other physical processes give you that oppurtunity.The why club, i have joined, just ive joined the because branch. I spose im too happy with the "we just are" explaination, i mean at first it sounds really poor, then when you get through it, it seems like the best explaination around (at least to me).Chemicals in your brain definitly have the ability to make you happy. This can be proven by taking various euphoric drugs, they alter brain chemical levels. Of course happy is just a balance of chemicals in my brain that i feel is good, i could be wrong (ever tried convincing yourself pain is good, or something that tastes foul is lovely, i have, its quite a strange sensation.) Why should they, well we can now go into the evolution bit, assuming im doing something that increases my chance of reproduction (or could have done in the past) a good way to encourage this behavour is a few happy hormones giving me a buzz

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Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life....Do unto others before they do unto you.

Faith is a good thing. Well, I thought someone might be interested in viewing some good sites concerning key Bible locations:The Wyatt Archaeological Museum

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Not everything is for us, you are right. Ultimately, we are all because of God.

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And if we are given free-will by God, then we must still find our own meaning of life. If our life is to serve God, then there are many non-christians/jews who claim to have purpose but have none according to this model. Therefore, even if we claim to have purpose, we may just be fooling ourselves. Conclusion: Even if there is a purpose to life, it is beyond our reach to understand. Blind Faith, it would seem, is the only hope (which may give meaning in and of itself). Argh, now I remember why I hated writing Philosophy 101 papers.

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Well, I thought someone might be interested in viewing some good sites concerning key Bible locations:
The Wyatt Archaeological Museum

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You may want to check up on Wyatt's reputation among biblical archaeologists. I think he sold snake oil in a previous life.

Not beyond reach, only beyond reach to the unbelieving you see. Doubt is all that is needed, to stop faith. I have been in situatuions when faith has succeeded completely, and I hear the voice of an atheist in my mind say "that's just chance". Lol. I blame this site - which is full of doubt. And Christ said, "shall I find any faith".

That's certainly worth a laugh or two.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

We both don't exist, as there is no reason to. We might aswell both have a game of russian roulette. OOOf, that's gotta be a wrong spelling!Are you saying that there is no point in life/death? If it is equal, why any of it? Why do I live, why do I die? Why should I, why would I, why could I? Why, why. why? Why would they do that? I wouldn't know. But even if you're right, why do they?

Right. We don't determine the purpose for others' existences. The rose is beautiful because it's beautiful, not because you say it's beautiful.Also, to respond to the comment concerning Ron Wyatt -- He is still a Biblical archaeologist. No one cares what he did a long time ago. We've all begun bad, believe it or not.This message has been edited by TheNewGuy03, 06-01-2004 08:10 PM

Id have to disagree, if there were no humans would the rose be classed as beautiful? What about those people ou there that think roses are awful? Everything like that is down to human judgement.Unseul

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Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life....Do unto others before they do unto you.

I made a topic on Wyatt and got hammered for it.Good point about the rose, which also is relevant to Chiroptera's post.