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Author Topic:   The relevence of Biblical claims to science
purpledawn
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Message 56 of 192 (170486)
12-21-2004 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Maestro232
12-21-2004 11:06 AM


Question is Backwards
quote:
Why does a newborn’s Vitamin K levels shoot up on the eight day of birth and then go back down?
I think your question is backwards.
The question should be: Why did God choose the 8th day of life to circumcise males? The Bible gives the question and science gives you the why, which is because the Vitamin K and prothrombin levels are at their highest on the 8th day.
The way you stated it, you are saying that the Vitamin K levels spike because God required male circumcision, which is untrue since, from what I have read so far, it also rises for females.
My way, science shows God to be brilliant, your way makes him look wasteful.

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purpledawn
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Message 79 of 192 (170586)
12-21-2004 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by PaulK
12-21-2004 3:27 PM


Re: Question is Backwards
quote:
Have you actually found a reference for this "spike" ?
Nope
I was hoping to find more once I got home, but nothing more than what you have probably read.
Nothing that shows a spike, or that the rising level of Vitamin K is only in males or more than females.
Although here is a "WHY" question for Maestro223:
Newborn babies have quite low levels of Vitamin K compared with adults. Scientists do not know why.
But I'm guessing the Bible won't have an answer for that until science figures it out.

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purpledawn
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Message 110 of 192 (170754)
12-22-2004 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Maestro232
12-22-2004 12:24 PM


Re: I AM CORRECT IN THESE PARAMETERS!
WRONG!
In Message 18 Quetzal states:
quote:
2. The Christian Bible represents a reasonable facsimile of the Word of God. Close enough so that there are passages within the text that can be used as a guideline for a practical epistemology in regards to the natural world.
In Message 83 Maestro232 states:
quote:
2. The Christian Bible represents a reasonable facsimile of the Word of God. Close enough so that there are passages within the text that can be used as a guideline for a practical epistemology in regards to the natural world.
Quetzal did not accept the Bible as true. He accepted that the Christian Bible is an accurate representation of God's word. He didn't accept that the Bible is right.
So if science and God do not agree, how does God present more information to prove he is correct?

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purpledawn
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Message 124 of 192 (170807)
12-22-2004 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Maestro232
12-22-2004 1:00 PM


Re: I AM CORRECT IN THESE PARAMETERS!
Nice side step!
The point of the message is that you are not correct in your parameters when you state that for the purpose of this discussion the Bible is accepted as true. It was not!
Are you making the assumption (Message 83) that no scientist has ever considered the Bible to be true; or that no scientific theory was ever initiated because of something written in the Bible?
You have determined that what is written in Genesis 1 does not agree with what scientist have learned about the development of our planet. Great! We already knew that before the thread started.
You wrote Quetzal's question in Message 26:
quote:
Are scientists missing truth by rejecting the spiritual?
What other truth can scientists learn if they bring spirituality into this research?
Will they be able to discern which scenerio is correct?
How can they show that spirituality lead them to their conclusion?
Now your question in Message 26:
quote:
Are scientists missing truth by rejecting what the Bible says about the Physical?
Are you assuming that because scientists come up with a different answer that they are rejecting what the Bible says about the physical?

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purpledawn
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Message 159 of 192 (171120)
12-23-2004 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by umliak
12-22-2004 11:46 PM


I know Maestro232 called you over to help him in this thread, but unfortunately, IMO, you're undermining your own credibility.
Uncharitable names
quote:
Your wrote to Crash:
Sorry for calling you so many names...by the way. I don't mean to offend you.
Since this is a written forum and we are able to preview our work before we submit our reply, how truly sincere is your apology? Since you didn't delete the names, but merely apologise at the end, the conclusion is that you did intend to offend.
Matthew 5:22
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Jesus was speaking against character assassination, which was frowned upon in his day. Hopefully you don't consider this to only apply when communicating to other Christians.
quote:
How can the Bible which plainly tells you the truth in order to lead you to the spirit and eternal life and paradise be nonadvancing?
This thread is discussing, or attempting to anyway, knowledge provided by the Bible dealing with the temporal not eternal life. In my simplistic view science describes knowledge derived from observation, study, and experimentation.
According to the Bible God gave Solomon wisdom and knowledge. Do you assume that God no longer gives wisdom and knowledge to understand what we observe in our temporal lives?
When Solomon discerned who was the true mother of the baby (1 Kings 3:16-28), he didn't say God told him who the mother was. He was given the wisdom to devise a way to test the women and then observe the results of that test to discern who the true mother was.
quote:
...and just told you that you can't prove anything because all things come from God.
If you truly believe that all things come from God, why would you give the impression that you do not believe that the ability to acquire and discern temporal information through observation, study, and experimentation came from God?
quote:
There are many languages because the heaven above was being approached by Nim-Rod and his tower of Babel.
You propose that God was more threatened or annoyed by the people building a city and tower at that time, as opposed to, today when we fly higher than any building and have sent men and satelites into space. If he did not want mankind to reach great heights, he would have continued to confound our language.
quote:
People have used the Holy Spirit to speak in tongues (foreign languages they did not speak before).
Over 10 years ago, I witnessed someone supposedly speaking in tongues in a church service. Unfortunately the person speaking didn't know what he said, so we had to wait for someone else to translate. The translation: The Kingdom of God is at hand. Nothing new.
Now in the NT the men didn't speak a different language. They spoke their own language and people heard the message in their own individual languages. See Glossolalia.
Just because you can't be seen doesn't mean you shouldn't still exude the fruit of the Spirit in your posts.
Galations 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. ...

A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

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purpledawn
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From: Indiana
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Message 190 of 192 (222930)
07-10-2005 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by crashfrog
07-03-2005 8:47 AM


Jewish Mythology
Given that the book of Job is a fictional work, I'm not sure why anyone would think that Job is referring to anything other than the Behemoth of Jewish mythology who was supposedly created by God on the 5th day.
IMO, the Behemoth is a fictional creature who can be described as an author sees fit. I'm sure the authors description was inspired by animals of his time, but I don't think it was about any specific animal of his time.
I do agree though, that the author of Job is not refering to an actual "tail".

"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France

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