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Message 24 of 192 (170386)
12-21-2004 10:16 AM


Comment on Standard Discussion Board Practices
To EvC Forum Members:
Because this is a discussion board and not a chat room, there is no need or desire for instant answers. It is far better that a post be long delayed and well thought out than instant and poorly written. At EvC Forum the emphasis is on fewer messages of higher quality. Posts to let someone know you're working on a post aren't necessary, unless you expect an extended absence, e.g., "I'm going away for Christmas, I'll provide an answer in a week." And keep in mind that there can be occasions when the best reply is none at all.

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Message 95 of 192 (170724)
12-22-2004 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Maestro232
12-22-2004 11:40 AM


Re: Epistemology
Hi Maestro,
I hope you've already seen my message, possibly in another thread, explaining that short messages like this, and like "I'm working on an answer now," etc, are usually unnecessary. If you submit a post while someone else is also submitting a post and you see they haven't taken your last post into account, there is no necessity to point that out. The person who responds last will see your post as soon as he's done.
And if you're going to answer fairly soon relative to your normal pattern, like within an hour for you, there's no need to say, "I'll start whacking on an answer now." Only if there's going to be an unusual delay is there any need to say anything. This is a discussion board where quality trumps alacrity.
Naturally there are times when people miss posts, and then it is very helpful to point out when this has happened, but give it a little time. This is not a chat room. The messages are recorded for all time (well, that's probabably a bit of an exaggeration, but we haven't had to delete any messages yet), and they take up space on the server.

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Message 149 of 192 (170884)
12-22-2004 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Maestro232
12-22-2004 3:18 PM


Re: The next step then...
Maestro,
I'm going to make some suggestions, and I'm making them in Admin mode because I think they're important to this discussion.
First, you're changing your approach far too often, and it tells me that you haven't thought things through. So far we've had the Vitamin K and Genesis origins fallacies cited in support of the spirtual contributing to science. We've assumed the Bible is true and then found that it contradicts the evidence from the real world. You misunderstood the purpose behind Quetzal's stipulation about the Bible, taking it to mean you could just claim victory for the Bible, when the true purpose was to allow you to explain your spirtual improvements to scientific methodology.
I think you should slow down to only a few well-thought out posts per day. Please give this advice some sincere consideration.
Second, this thread is picking up posts at a pace consistent with a nonsense thread, which admins have a responsibility to close down. Few can resist correcting obvious error, and that's why your posts are attracting so much attention. I know you believe your errors on Vitamin K and in logic and so forth are just minor issues that we're letting get in the way of you making your point, but as the discussion develops (slowly, I hope) you'll discover that your errors are a bit more fundamental.
Please don't take up this point:
Second, find one example where a creationist has used the bible as a starting point and done real science that has stood the standard tests of falsifiability, repeatability and so forth. You won't be able to.
Where men take their inspiration is widely varied. It could come from dreams, the Bible, or as with Archimedes, while taking a bath.
Your task is to show how the spirtual could inform scientific research. Please take all the time you need. And more.

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Message 160 of 192 (171126)
12-23-2004 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Maestro232
12-23-2004 10:13 AM


Re: Great Debate?
Maestro232 writes:
I'd like to suggest that Quetzal and I interact in a great debate on our subject...
Other moderators may disagree, but I don't think this is a good idea. In my opinion, a debate should be between two knowledgable opponents. You concede you're still developing your position (and this was obvious anyway) when you say, "I will be using some of that time to form a methodology and examples." A debater who sets out to defend something just recently thought through is unlikely to fair well, and I couldn't endorse devoting moderator time to an enterprise with poor prospects.
I think just sticking around and learning from each other in discussion would be time better spent.

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