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Author Topic:   The relevence of Biblical claims to science
contracycle
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Message 29 of 192 (170405)
12-21-2004 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Maestro232
12-21-2004 11:06 AM


Re: Picking an example
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Because I say some, though, I am also claiming that the practice of science, when fully divorced from, specifically, Biblical claims of a spiritual nature, some scientific truth as I have defined it will be unattainable.
Thats becuase your argument rests almost entirely on semantic manipulation.
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1.a.1. How are miracles possible?
Subject not in evidence - miracles cannot be shown to exist/happen and cannot be tested. Claim rejected.
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1.a.2. What causes people to act unkindly, aggressively, selfishly, etc to one another?
Self-interest and programming. See other threads. Claim rejected.
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My claim is that these questions cannot be answered fully without exploring the spiritual claims of the Bible.
You are mistaken; the only way they will be fully explained is through science. However, the first of your questions is itself a biblical, spiritual claim, and the second is mostly answered to my satisfaction already - whether or not to your satisfaction I neither know nor care.
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1.b.2. The spiritual realm affects the physical realm.
I could have criticised point 1 as well but can;t be bothered - without this assumption your entire argument collapses. So: prove it. You admit that these are your CLAIMS. This claim is ridiculous, and I see no reason to accept it without compelling evidence. Please cite such evidence.
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So, here is an example of a question about the physical world that the Bible answers the why to fully that science never can.
One that is presented in a very dishonest manner - without controls or citations or references. What exactly is our basis for thinking that vitamin K is any way relevant to the handling of pain or bleeding, such that it might be useful in this context? Furthermore, is this universal in all humans, and if so to what degree of variance? After all if menstruation can be imprecise and even move in aggregate I would not expect to find such hard dating. Is there no other conceivable use for vitamain K in 8-day old neonates? Does it happen in girl babies too? Des it happen in other primates? Mammals? Fish, slugs, birds et al?
What you have, rather, is a crude and self-fulfulling coincidence tyo which you are assigning confident claims, undeservedly. This is poor analysis, more like myth than science.

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contracycle
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Message 162 of 192 (171148)
12-23-2004 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Maestro232
12-23-2004 12:20 PM


Re: Great Debate?
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I'll accept that Admin, but let me assure you of something. It is not that I do not have a methodology that I am convinced is true, it is that finding a way to present it as convincing to the scientific community takes extra work, because scientists are ... I'll stop here.
The term you are groping for is "rigorous".

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