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zipzip Inactive Member |
John, yours was a terrible post. Jews had been emigrating to Palestine since the mid 19th century and purchase the rights to their land. Palestinians did not exist as a people prior to emigration of Jews -- the land was completely desolate and the Palestinans came largely in response to a need for labor, as the Jews brought in irrigation and made the land arable and self-sustaining. The Palestinians themselves were refugeed willingly by the surrounding Arab states in the '60s.
Unless you are an anti-Semite, the Jews have never been thieves, but have instead shown remarkable restraint, dignity, and a continuing appreciation for education and the arts for centuries. They are also the only democracy in the Middle East, and our only true allies. Given their terrible experiences during repeated Pogroms at the hands of Russia and Europe and later the Holocaust, I can also not think of any people who deserve a homeland more.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Allison wrote: Hell, Dick Nixon would have had to be a Democrat if he was alive today because he would have been way to "liberal" on the environment.
quote: You aren't sure what I mean?? Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency! He also created the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and the Consumer Product Safety Commission. He was also the first president to require strict quotas for minorities for federal construction projects. He also made an anti-ballistic missle treaty with the Soviet Union. Compared to the Republicans today, Ol' Dick Nixon sounds like a regular left-wing Socialist, doesn't he?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I think that calling John an anti-Semite because he has criticized the Israeli government is pretty lame.
Considering that Palestinians who live in Israel are not allowed to vote, I am not sure how you define Democracy.
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Arachnid Inactive Member |
Zipzip,
Thank you for that awesome post. Many of us have tried to share that exact information, but I'm afraid your words fall on deaf ears where john is concerned. If you say one thing, he'll say another. If you show him proof he'll ignore it. It's a frustrating way to debate. I think we all can appreciate a heated discussion, but some people choose to ignore the facts in favor of MTV idealism. I am frankly appalled by the anti-semite attitudes that are so prevalent these days. I appreciate your refreshing and accurate stance which is decidedly unpopular these days.
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Arachnid Inactive Member |
Shraf,
That was a lame perspective. Israeli Palestinians DO vote. Why don't you call our government's democracy into question because we do not let the Canadians vote for president?
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I know that this is a "Free For All" topic, but still, wouldn't it be nice if there was some relationship between the topic title and the material being discussed.
Might I dare suggest (in non-admin mode) that the quality but off-topic discussion be taken to a new topic. And if it were not in "Free For All", there might be a little better control at keeping things on topic. Moose
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zipzip Inactive Member |
You're welcome. I think it is important to get the record straight.
[This message has been edited by zipzip, 02-01-2003]
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Arachnid Inactive Member |
Hey gang,
I've created a new topic in the Free for All forum called Israel vs. Palestine. Now we can free up this forum for it's intended audience. Happy posting
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Agreed.
quote: Of course, and this makes perfect sense until one realizes that your 'official and formally recognized sites' are those most likely to be biased. Namely, Israeli government web-sites. What is complicated about that?
quote: Ahhh... you do like to prattle about thing of which you cannot possibly have knowledge.
quote: Yes. Let's recap. You distrust Islam based upon your understanding of the Quran. I distrust Judaism and hence Israel for the same reasons. The OT is one big genocidal blood bath in God's name. Surely you must approve of this? And yes, when one comes to a conclusion about something it is commonly called making a judgement. Grasping at straws just makes you look bad.
quote: Differences in scale, yes.
quote: Bloody hell. "Country" as in land and home.
quote: Yet again, there is no way you could have this knowledge. Unless you wish to claim psychic powers. Is that what you claim?
quote: This is ridiculous. It seems you've taken to simply making things up.
quote: When you come in to keep the peace and support one side over the other, what does that make the peace-keeping?
[quote][b]2) No I did not use that. I'm making a case that Israel had justification to become a country and remain a country. The UN is beside the point.[/quote][/b] So you deny this? Looks to my like you are invoking the UN declaration.
satcomm post #106 writes: The statement about military conquest is false. The UN declared it, there were many jews living there, and it became Israel. Majority is irrelevant. And by what right had Israel to become a nation, the UN and MAJORITY being irrelevant?
quote: Really? You conclude that I am for the UN by observing my criticisms of UN behavior as regards the creation of Israel? Very peculiar logic.
quote: Yes, so is gold and silver, red and blue, and fire and water. This objection is absurd.
quote:4) How is that a similarity? The arabs were never made into slaves, nor were they "chased out" as a majority. If only you could hit the ball.[/b][/quote] The Zionists were there to start a new life free of discrimination whatever the cost. You must be painfully ignorant of Zionism to come up with this crap. The information is out there, but you'd dismiss it.
quote: Bullshit. I have read everything you posted. In fact, I had already read through those sites and quite a few others long before this debate began.
quote: Until this moment, I have seen nothing to suggest to me that this is how you feel. What I have seen is a stubborn pro-Israel pep-rally.
quote: I feel exactly the same about you. Guess we are even.
quote: I am disagreeing with practically everything you state largely because the bulk of your data is Israeli and Israel is directly involved in the issue. It isn't complicated. It is peculiar that when I search for information the bulk of the returns that paint Israel in a good light are Israeli sites. That should tell you something.
quote: Because I did and you are making a fool of yourself. ------------------
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
From message 143:
quote: Please also see message 141. Because high quality, but very off-topic discussion is happening, I see it as best, that I close this topic. Please take the discussion to better places, be it the new Israel/Palestine "Free For All" topic, or some other new or existing topic. I don't think my actions are in any way restricting the "Free For All" discussion/debate. I'm just trying to put some organization into it all. Otherwise, a lot of good thought is going to get lost in the shuffle. Adminnemooseus
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