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This country is not pro-war.

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That statement is not accurate.Whether or not the United States majority is pro-war is based on the circumstances at hand. We are a country more based on vengeance after being messed with. After Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "I fear that we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve." And how true that was. Our country became the most productive and militaristic country on the face of the Earth after the first sight of danger. After 9-11, we were just itching for revenge with sadness and anger in our hearts.Also, if you look at the majority of our technological development programs, our country is a war-machine.

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This is because there is no clear moral reason for it.

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No clear moral reason for war in general? I totally disagree. Maybe in a perfect hand-holding world, we'd have no moral reason for war, but the world is a vary dangerous place where a lot of people hate us. We need to have a strong defense. That's one of our government's primary functions.If you are referring to Iraq, specifically, there are several reasons to go after them. One reason that stands out in my mind is the fact that Iraq actively funds terrorists in several nations, including our own.

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Thanks to our pro-war, pro Bush media, in a recent poll only 17% of Americans polled correctly identified the number of 9/11 suicide bombers as Iraqi.

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None of them were Iraqui. Almost all of them were Saudi.

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(Sarcasm)Could you be more rhetorical? Everyone knows that the majority of the hijackers were Saudi. Osama is Saudi. Saudi Arabia hates us as much as they hate Israel, if not more. It's only the oil sales and politics that hold them back. Your polls are meaningless.

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That means that many people think, have assumed because of media coverage of Iraq, that we are retaliating for Sept. 11.

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I thought many suspect it's because of oil and weapons of mass destruction. Oh yeah, they fund terrorists too.

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Sept 11 is so "last year" according to the Bush administration.

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Pure speculation from a view that opposes our current administration no matter what. I smell a Democrat. Will you vote for Lieberman?

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The propaganda machine fans the flames of needless war.

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The liberal propaganda machine fans the flames of needless destruction of American history and tradition.Also, what does any of this have to do with Creationism, Evolution and the Public Schools?------------------
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Don't feed the troll.

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No clear moral reason for war in general? I totally
disagree. Maybe in a perfect hand-holding world, we'd have no moral reason for war, but the world is a vary dangerous place where a lot of people hate us. We need to have a strong defense. That's one of our government's primary functions.

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If you follow the thread, it is clear that I am not claiming this.

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If you are referring to Iraq, specifically, there are several reasons to go after them. One reason that stands out in my mind is the fact that Iraq actively funds terrorists in several nations, including our own.

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So does Saudi Arabia, Israel, Ireland, Pakistan, etc.Nearly every single 9/11 suicide bomber was Saudi, but we aren't going after them, are we?There are two big reasons we are careening towards war with Iraq;1) Bush is seeking revenge for the assasination attempt on his father, and2) Oil

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(Sarcasm)Could you be more rhetorical? Everyone knows that the majority of the hijackers were Saudi. Osama is Saudi. Saudi Arabia hates us as much as they hate Israel, if not more. It's only the oil sales and politics that hold them back. Your polls are meaningless.

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LOL!! The fact that only 17% of those polled in America COULDN'T IDENTIFY the correct number of Iraqis shows, very clearly, that everyone DOESN'T know that the hijackers were Saudi.You saying that "everyone knows" is contradicted by to poll, and you declaring that the poll is meaningless is, well, meaningless. Why is it meaningless?My point was to show that the US population wrongly thinks that Iraqis are behind the 9/11 bombing, and that is why we are going after them.

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I thought many suspect it's because of oil and weapons of mass destruction.

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Maybe, maybe not.

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Oh yeah, they fund terrorists too.

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So do lots of countries that we somehow manage to not go to war with, like Ireland, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.

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Pure speculation from a view that opposes our current administration no matter what.

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It is not pure speculation. When was the last time you heard anything about Afghanistan or Bin Laden or Al qaida from Bush?It is true, however, that I have little respect for the Shrub. I think he is possibly one of the most ill-informed, intellectually feeble, vacuous, uninspiring, war-loving losers to ever hold public office. He is a national embarrasment.

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I smell a Democrat. Will you vote for Lieberman

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I am actually an independent, and I would have voted for McCain in a heartbeat if the Republicans had had the balls to back him. Unfortunately, he looked like he was going to actually make campaign finance reform happen, so he bit it.

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The liberal propaganda machine fans the flames of needless destruction of American history and tradition.

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Huh?What "destruction of history and tradition" are you talking about?Also, how "liberal" do you think Disney and Time/Warner are?The mainstream media are "infotainment" now. They don't want to appear unpatriotic by opposing the President so nobody is doing the job that journalism is supposed to do; challenge authority for the public interest.

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lso, what does any of this have to do with Creationism, Evolution and the Public Schools?

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Not much.

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If you follow the thread, it is clear that I am not claiming this.

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That wasn't clear in that post. All you said was "This country is not pro-war." I figured this to be your conclusive statement based on your discussions with the other debaters. So I read it for what it said and suggested otherwise.

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So does Saudi Arabia, Israel, Ireland, Pakistan, etc.

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I agree with every country in that statment except for Israel. I'm sorry, I don't buy the "hardship Palestinian" propaganda.

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Nearly every single 9/11 suicide bomber was Saudi, but we aren't going after them, are we?

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Nope. That is a failure on our administrations part. It also represents a failure of the political correctness ideology.

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There are two big reasons we are careening towards war with Iraq;

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1) Bush is seeking revenge for the assasination attempt on his father, and

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The first reason is not substantiated. How do you know Bush's motives? And do you really think it's personal, like some sort of mob ring family(our government) VS "the evil Saddam".

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2) Oil

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I said this, and I agree. Under our current economic and technological standard, no oil = anarchy. If only Henry Ford could be alive today to see his legacy unfold.

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LOL!! The fact that only 17% of those polled in America COULDN'T IDENTIFY the correct number of Iraqis shows, very clearly, that everyone DOESN'T know that the hijackers were Saudi.

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And again, the question arises about the validity of this "poll". Who conducted it, and where was the information gathered from?When you watch the major news channels, most everyone agrees that the majority of the hijackers were Saudi. CNN, NBC, Foxnews, etc saying something = the average person knowing it too.

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You saying that "everyone knows" is contradicted by to poll, and you declaring that the poll is meaningless is, well, meaningless. Why is it meaningless?

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It's meaningless because I talk to many many people in my personal life and at work. Based on that and what I see on the Internet and on the news, I've concluded that most everyone agrees that they were Saudi. Your "poll" is the first I've heard of "the majority of American's feeling otherwise".

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My point was to show that the US population wrongly thinks that Iraqis are behind the 9/11 bombing, and that is why we are going after them.

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Point taken, and I disagree with you. From my observation, most people think that the Iraqis are indirectly responsible, in that they fund terrorism, but don't think that they are directly responsible.Regardless, you and I both know that "Al Queda terrorism" is not the main reason why our administration is going after them. It's just the icing on the cake. I think a lot of other people see that too.

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Maybe, maybe not.

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And there we have it. You don't know. Further proof that the "poll" was meaningless.

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So do lots of countries that we somehow manage to not go to war with, like Ireland, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.

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Again, I agree, except for Israel.

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It is not pure speculation. When was the last time you heard anything about Afghanistan...

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The Afghanistan campaign is concluded for the time being, even though the military presence remains to help establish a new government. Hence, that is not the government's primary concern right now. I think this would be the case regardless of what administration was in power.

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...or Bin Laden...

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The Bush administration (to my knowledge) has not come out and officially stated that Bin Laden is alive. They suspect he might be, but until he reveals his ugly head, all they can do is speculate. Our enemies hide him well.Oh, I know there have been tapes of him speaking after the Afghanistan campaign, however they could have been taped prior for the use of propaganda.I, personally, think he's alive.

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...or Al qaida from Bush?

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Ask the Department of Defense? Here, go to their site and do a search for "Al Qaida": U.S. Department of Defense You could even do a search for "terrorism" in general.

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It is true, however, that I have little respect for the Shrub. I think he is possibly one of the most ill-informed, intellectually feeble, vacuous, uninspiring, war-loving losers to ever hold public office. He is a national embarrasment.

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Yeah, he's not a very good speaker.He does surround himself with powerful and intelligent people, however.

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I am actually an independent, and I would have voted for McCain in a heartbeat if the Republicans had had the balls to back him. Unfortunately, he looked like he was going to actually make campaign finance reform happen, so he bit it.

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That doesn't surprise me. I guess the Dems aren't liberal enough for you.

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Huh?

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You read what I posted.

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What "destruction of history and tradition" are you talking about?

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First and foremost, I said "AMERICAN history and tradition".Second, I don't know where to begin. Maybe I shouldn't take the time? I'm sure you'd discount everything I'd say as "right-wing fanaticism" anyway. Just take a hard look at the last 40 years. Do you think many are personally responsible these days?

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Also, how "liberal" do you think Disney and Time/Warner are?

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When I see a gay march parade in Disneyland, I think liberal.When I see Disney changing the skin tone of Aladdin because of political pressure, I think liberal.When I hear the slogan "it's a small world", I think liberal.Should I continue?As for Time/Warner, I enjoy taking amusement over their anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian rhetoric. I consider that very liberal.

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The mainstream media are "infotainment" now.

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When I think of organizations like the BBC and CNN, I agree with you.

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They don't want to appear unpatriotic by opposing the President so nobody is doing the job that journalism is supposed to do; challenge authority for the public interest.

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I thought Journalism was about reporting the facts?There is a time to challenge authority, and then there is a time to respect authority.

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ME: Also, what does any of this have to do with Creationism, Evolution and the Public Schools?

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Schraf: Not much.

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Now that the subject has been broached, I don't understand all of the anti-semitism that is going around. Why does the the liberal press and the EU hate Israel so much? Doesn't Israel have the same right as anyone else to exist and govern thmeselves according to their own manner? Israel is surrounded on all sides by enemies...and there are no other Jewish states, so, WTF? Why do people feel that Israel needs to be divided and shared with a hostile enemy? Jordan is a Palistinian state, so there is no excuse to deny Israel a homeland. Any thoughts?

Palestinians were kicked out of their homes by force in 1957(?). And Isreal was created. This was done on orders from the UN and by UN armies. The country of Israel is a insult to human rights. This isn't anti-semitism, just fact. I have no problem with Jewish people, but the country of Israel is another issue altogether.------------------
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Thanks for your view. I would like to correct a few of your "facts".1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E., the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.4. Arabs have only had control of Israel twice - from 634 until the Crusader invasion in June 1099, and from 1292 until the year 1517 when they were dispelled by the Turks in their conquest.5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. There are vague references to Jerusalem in the "Oral Qu'aran" - in their oral tradition, The Prophet stopped his night journey at "the edge" - at the edge of the Temple mount.7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.8. Arab and Jewish refugees - In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.9. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.10. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.11. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

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Palestinians were kicked out of their homes by force in 1957(?). And Isreal was created. This was done on orders from the UN and by UN armies. The country of Israel is a insult to human rights. This isn't anti-semitism, just fact. I have no problem with Jewish people, but the country of Israel is another issue altogether

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And how was the United States of America formed? I could be wrong, but, why yes, I think it was taken by force. Human rights? Do some research on the arab "brother" states around palestine. They treat palestinians worse than anything Israel has ever done ten fold.

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And how was the United States of America formed? I could be wrong, but, why yes, I think it was taken by force.

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And this is what? Justification for doing it again? See, we are supposed to learn from history....

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Human rights? Do some research on the arab "brother" states around palestine. They treat palestinians worse than anything Israel has ever done ten fold.

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Irrelevant. And curious that you provide no proof of your assertion.Tell you what, you tell me that if the UN decided to kick you out and give your home to foreigners you'd be OK with that, and I'll believe that you are serious.------------------
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BADIL Resource Center for Palestinian Residency and Refugee Rights
Is a site with information. You have google. Look it up yourself. Just because I speak it doesn't mean it is the truth. That was the point of not siting references. I assumed you would do research out of curiousity.Jordan is the only country to give Palestinians full right of citizenship. The Lebanese government treats Palestinians the worse and refuses to grant the right to employment or citizenship. There are still 200,000 plus Palestinians in Jordanian refugee camps.

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See, we are supposed to learn from history....

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I considered what happened in 1948 as history. My point was you have no qualms living in a country that forcefully took the land from the indians. I doubt if we never conquered America it would be the superpower it is today. Sometimes force is needed.

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Tell you what, you tell me that if the UN decided to kick you out and give your home to foreigners you'd be OK with that, and I'll believe that you are serious.

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Leave or stay and fight. Those are my two options when confronted with the situation. Israel is staying and fighting. Israel owned the land before the palestinians. No refute was given on your behalf to Arachnid's post (although Arachnid did not site any references in his post either). So I am assuming you are in agreement with Israel owning the land first.

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BADIL Resource Center for Palestinian Residency and Refugee Rights
Is a site with information.

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So, lets see. Your argument is that after the palestinians were kicked out of thier homeland and forced to flee into OTHER PEOPLE'S countries, they have been treated badly and so Isreali occupation is OK? Are you insane? What you have cited is yet another example of the damage the creation of Israel has done. It is not proof that the Palestinians are better off with Isreal than without.

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My point was you have no qualms living in a country that forcefully took the land from the indians.

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Who told you this? Guess you just made it up. Any country I could move to was at some point taken from someone else. That cannot be escaped, nor is it a justification for continuing the practice.

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Sometimes force is needed.

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And what exactly was necessary about the creation of Isreal?

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Israel is staying and fighting.

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ummm.... hello... Isreal is the invader not the defender.

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Israel owned the land before the palestinians.

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Now I know you are insane.

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No refute was given on your behalf to Arachnid's post (although Arachnid did not site any references in his post either)

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Uh..read the post. It begins after your initial response. I think it adresses any argument you can throw at it....i dunno, maybe you can find some other approach, but nearly all of your statements to jd are incorrect.

To heck with it...here it is again....1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E., the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.4. Arabs have only had control of Israel twice - from 634 until the Crusader invasion in June 1099, and from 1292 until the year 1517 when they were dispelled by the Turks in their conquest.5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. There are vague references to Jerusalem in the "Oral Qu'aran" - in their oral tradition, The Prophet stopped his night journey at "the edge" - at the edge of the Temple mount.7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.9. Arab and Jewish refugees - In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.refute the facts if you can[This message has been edited by Arachnid, 01-27-2003]

I'll refute some of the easier ones, or take them to their logical conclusions:

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1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

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Used as justification for Israel existing. I presume you are also advocating giving North America back to the Native Americans with Mexico back to the Aztecs. Do you agree that Robert Mugabe should be treating whites as inferior citizens in Zimbabwe because they came afterwards?

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2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

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even if this were true, what exactly does this prove?Although, while we're on a name-game:

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3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E., the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

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...that would be Arab Jews, wouldn't it?5,6,7 None give justification for a modern Jewish state, any more than the existence of Gisa gives justification for a Pharoanic Egyptian state.

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8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

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This is the most bizarre. I don't know where you've copied and pasted this from but this is just plain wrong and your credibility plummets.Muslims pray towards Mecca. So, take a look at an atlas and draw a line from Jerusalem to Mecca and continue that line along. Once to get past Mecca, every Muslim on that line prays towards Jerusalem.Now I'm thinking, give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you mean that Muslims in Jerusalem pray with their backs towards Jerusalem. Still wrong, unless you define the centre of Jerusalem to be the point in Jerusalem which is furthest away from Mecca, which is nonsensical.

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9. Arab and Jewish refugees - In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

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This is made up. Like point 8.

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10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

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Which is half the story.....you haven't mentioned the Irgun, the Stern gang or the terrorist bombing of the King David hotel.How is 11 relevant (if true)?

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12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

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Because you should never give in to terrorism? Their' own people's lands?? Most of the Israeli jews were European, fleeing after the Holocaust.That's the points refuted or dismissed as irrelevancies. Now I'm not in favour of the destruction of Israel, or the extermination of Jews as I'm sure you're about to present me as. I'm against the sanctioning of massacres of 1500+ innocents which happened in Sabra and Chatila (and for which Ariel Sharon was found culpable by an Isrraeli commission) and the continued mass killings and heavy handed tactics used against Palestinian civilians which garner worldwide condemnation.Israel is in breach of more UN resolutions than any other country (including Iraq) - you know that killing innocent civilains is especially wrong when its carried out in the name of a state. Suicide bombing is also wrong, but carried out by wacko extremists who are now moving into the mainstream as a direct result of Israel's heavy handed policies. Israel has a military machine at its disposal and uses it as an organ of terror - whether the Palestinians attacked first or not is irrelevant in this context. Its men v boys, so to speak.The best solution IMO is a two state solution, with the Palestinains being granted a contiguous area of land and Israel promised its security. All this takes is the political will (most people internationally would support this idea).Its a sad reflection on the world when you have to resort to flag waving to justify the killing of inncent men, women and children.PE[This message has been edited by Primordial Egg, 01-27-2003]

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1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

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And that nation fell when? Maybe you should check your facts.circa 1000 First Isrealite monarchy under David.926 bce The united monarchy cracks into two -- Isreal with its capitol of Samaria and Judah with its capitol of Isreal.722 bce Isreal is destroyed by the Neo-Assyrians and the ten northern tribes dispersed.584 bce Jerusalem is sacked the Babylonian exile begins.539 bce Cyrus the Persian defeats Babylon333 bce Alexander the Great defeats the Persians.64 bce The Romans take Syro-palestine66-74 ce the Jewish war against Rome. The Jews lose.You can't possibly make of this some kind of claim of ownership. The land has been taken and retaken multiple times since the Jewish Monarchy. Besides, why not give the land to the people the Jews took it from? I mean, they had it first.

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2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

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This does not change the fact they were thrown out of their homes by an army. Besides which, you have your facts wrong. During the British Mandate period coins were issued with Palestine inscribed on them. Ap-agenda.org - Menyajikan Informasi Seputar Lifestyle & Judi Online

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3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E., the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

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As for the first claim, you don't know your history. As to the second, various ethnic groups have had a continual presence in the area. Big deal.

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4. Arabs have only had control of Israel twice - from 634 until the Crusader invasion in June 1099, and from 1292 until the year 1517 when they were dispelled by the Turks in their conquest.

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"Arab" isn't a nation or a government, it is an ethnic group. You could just as easily argue that 'africans' have never controlled Africa. I fail to see the relevance. It doesn't matter much who controlled the area. If it wasn't Isreal, you don't have an unbroken chain of ownership.

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5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital.

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There hasn't been a Jewish state for this entire 3,300 years, but only for a brief period of it. How can this have been the capitol for 3300 years?

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Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity.

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What does it matter?

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6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

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Again, irrelevant. We aren't discussing religion. We are discussing armed forces kicking people out of there home and giving those homes to people who, for the most part hadn't lived there for hundreds or thousands of years.

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7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

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LOL....... why is this relevant?

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8. Arab and Jewish refugees - In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

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hmmmm..... so the Arab leaders, seeing that things were going to get bloody, told people to flee and you take this as a VOLUNTARY exodus?

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9. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and progroms.

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Again, you are mixing ethnic groups and religious affilations with governments. What are you talking about specifically? When and where?

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10. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

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Why is this relevant?hmmm... lets see. Jews kick out 630,000 people and force them into foreign countries. This causes a backlash of violence against Jews, who flee to Isreal-- ironically, the cause of the problem to start with. Am I close?

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11. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory.

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What? And "Arab" isn't a country and "Arab lands" is not a government.

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Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands.

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If it were "there own people's lands" they wouldn't be refugees would they? This is absurd. Arab is not a government. Arabs do not belond to the same country/political group any more than Spanish speaking Christians belong to the same country/political group. Look at S. America. How many countries are there? How many speak Spanish? How many are Roman Catholic? Yet they are not the same 'peoples'

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Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

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ummm.... that was the point of Israel wasn't it? It is a place for Jews who need somewhere to go. That is why they kicked everybody out. That is why they still keep trying to expand. This is not the same situation the palestinian refugees are in.------------------
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