Raising Standards

That's a good question: why me?You are right that anyone could do what you are suggesting, too.But back to the 'why me' question: when you teach your children that they must put in effort to get rewards and they whine "why can't you do it, why me?", do you say, "don't worry little one, I will do the job for you" or do you say "in life you need to work for what you want so you must learn to do things for yourself?"If you want to change the world you must put the effort in; no one is going to do it for you.If you have put the effort in and still have no results you must question your methods or your competances.You seem to want to help people marry religion and science into a workable whole: this is not posible because science does not deal with anything that does not have evidence.Now and again: the issue still remains that you have not falsified the seven race 'theory' (more of a hypothesis because you are saying "this is how I think the world works").The problem is you are saying "this is how I think the world works but no one beleives me. Will someone please champion my case but I will undertake no action to convince you of why I beileve that this is how the world works?".How can you reasonably expect anyone to want to champion your cause when you yourself cannot?

Let's consider that many aspects of what I "spout" to you could be "way off" and that the idea could be refined into a MORE workable form.That would be great. I'm working with grossly unsubstantiated data from a type of "skimming" of the literature. (Skimming since one person, me, is responsible for what I read.)400,000 years before beginning of sixth race may or may not be substantiated within the literature.So much modification could be going on but isn't because people don't know about what I found.Couldn't we take it step by step? First tell people what I found and then let everyone become a thinktank for improving our situations. Afterall, mostly what I am advocating is "purity" or helping and allowing cases of "purity" when they are observed.How many people do you think hear that I am vegetarian and want to be the one who sticks a little meat into my food? People are really against the idea of permitting vegetarianism to become anything more than a few misguided seekers.Do you think there is allowance for those who don't quite fit in because they have dreams and aspirations towards this "meeting of a higher kingdom?"If people knew why we were trying to purify our lives as I have given you the "scenario," then it could become more promotable and more easily observable. I cringe at what my son makes out with for his diet at school.

At least if we present this work (mine and H.P.B's and Edna Ballard's) we allow people a chance to see how religion could be developing. It is still only 120 years since this woman wrote THE SECRET DOCTRINE. I don't know why Darwin's work can be accepted immediately and Blavatsky's can be so ridiculed and shunned, taunted, and debased.Just because science has standards doesn't make it right to become so derogative about what someone else has encountered in their life.But remember, Jesus Christ was killed. He was different and people didn't trust him to help them (all of them) and his existence was interrupted.Maybe people as a whole will be just as happy to prevent a girasas kingdom from "landing" on earth. Maybe we will all vote to do away with them and struggle on by ourselves. Maybe initiatives will be instituted to cause them harm so that they cannot make their way through us.That would be one result that we would have to live with, but then surely these people who want to prevent them having a role in our lives will try to understand that some of us may be helpless when it comes to rising up against them. If they are a higher kingdom, how can we be to blame for what they do to us?

EVIDENCEPersonally, I just don't find your theory convincing.What distinguishes it from fiction? Why should I accept yours over JRR Tolkien's?

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In The Silmarillion the history of Arda is divided into four great time periods, known as the Ainulindal, the Years of the Lamps, the Years of the Trees and the Years of the Sun. In Middle-earth recorded history did not begin until the First Age and the Awakening of the Elves during the Years of the Trees - the time prior to that is simply known as the Beginning of Days. During the First Age the awakening of Men coincided with the first rising of the Sun and the beginning of The Years of the Sun, which have lasted from the First Age, through the Second, Third and Fourth Ages to the present day.

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What makes yours better than the above?

Are you serious? You can't understand why? Darwins's work uses evidence. HPB has no evidence at all. How can it be any clearer? True. There is no reason for anyone to be rude, but if an adult beleives in Father Christmas you would call them a moron with good cause. The seven race theory has no more validity that Father Chrismas, the Tooth Fairy, Yaweh, Vishnu or any other imaginary character. So you say. But that does not make it so. If Jesus was real he was a normal person (probably schizophrenic, to boot). You are starting with an assumption that xian beleifs are facts and this is not true. There is no evidence for xiantity out side the books arbitrarily deem cannon.It seems one of you salient point is that the seven race theory bridges the gap between xianity and science and that this is valuable: not so! Xians won't go with heresy (your views from their perspective) and for scientist it is a non issue.You have one of two choices:1) accept that religious people are too happy with their current world view to want to change (they see no conflict with science at all) and scientist see no need to concider religion at all (because it has nothing to do with science- what scientist do). Both groups have no hang ups with religion/science because it is like oil and water- the don't mix and people are happiest that way.2) keep banging your head against a brick wall trying to convince people that there is a problem and thsat you have the solution. There is no problem! You make a masive assumption here, don't you? You have assumed that you are right about the seven race theory awith bsolutely no evidence! That is why you get no where with people- because you say "I've assumed this is true. You must beleive me based on my assumption. I won't tell you why I beleive it is true, however". In my professional experience in mental health people are only institutionalised if they are a danger to themselves or others. Walk around with a plaquard all you like but as long as you are not a danger you won't get locked up. No idea what you mean, sorry.

You don't substantiate anything with literature, you use evidence. Not so, my fiance is a veggie, most of my friends are and I only eat meat when we eat out so you point fails. Dream away! But be under no illusion that science will never take dreams seriously (unless it is a flux capacitor, obviously) unless you back it up with evidence.You are asking people to beleive in the ramblings of a possibly disturbed 19th century writer. What would you say to some body trying to tell you that Cthulu is real? What ever you do, please don't push your seven race theory on your kids. I've seen too many young people fucked up by what their parent tell them.

Christianity has been in existence for a long time and this theory can be successfully tied in with Christian records.It can also account for the variety of religions that we find on earth: Egyptian - 1st subrace, Hindu - 2nd subrace, Greek and Roman mythology - 3rd subrace, Buddhism - 4th subrace, Christianity - 5th subrace and 5th root race, ????? (strange absence) - sixth subrace, Muslim religion - 7th subrace

And yet you expect one person to do the work of many. I found the theory. I communicated the theory. If more people could hear about this new development, then the work that you so adamantly advocate could be done.Step by step and not all on the shoulders of one person.

No it can't. Prove it.ABE: what about the Sumerian pantheon? Shintoism? Druidism? Wicca? Norse Pantheon?Edited by Larni, : Just adding stuff, you know?

Hi, Brenda. Because nobody else wants to.I know it sounds a bit childish, but that's the way it is. Nobody else sees any reason to look at your idea, so we're not going to look at it until it's proponents give us a good reason (i.e. evidence). And, since you're apparently the only proponent, you don't get the luxury of delegating to someone else: you have to do it yourself.Remember at the beginning of this thread? I tried hard to get you to explain your idea, and you did a little bit, then just stopped on me and got upset that I wouldn't do the research myself. I tried. I even read your essay, but it was so unstructured that I couldn't keep up with it. So, I came back for clarification from you, and you refused to provide it for me. How could you possibly expect me to maintain any interest in your idea after you treated my inquiries that way?I still have no idea what your theory even is. And, as long as you allow this situation to continue, you are not going to find anyone who will help you. You have to explain your idea, and, if you want it be seriously considered by scientists, you also have to provide data. No one else will help you until you do this.

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-BluejayDarwin loves you.

One way in which religions have tended to show proof is with prophesy. H.P. Blavatsky did leave the prophesy that someone would come along in the 20th century and provide additional clarification to her writings.If we could show that that did happen, we would have a semblance of proof.I think you should evaluate whether or not the work that we are doing has a good influence on the people who take part in it. Could it be viewed as a positive endeavor when children reach up to try to grasp a life higher and beyond that which we know on earth? Could conceiving of higher lives produce positive results in those who participate?

Well I did offer an explanation for Adam.I also can offer the concept of the sacrament where the blood and body of Christ is taken. We "conceive" that there is a Christ side of us that is growing when we partake of it.

Point one: You found a hypothesis not a theory.Point two: In all the time you have been promogulating this hypothesis you have found nobody who cares! You said that you thought you were the one destined to spread the word and are a bit stumpt as to why no one listened by 2000: what does that tell you?Point 3: The more people you tell the more people you will convince that you are deluded: trust me.

Scientists are congratulated on being inquiring and not just inquiring but activists in assessing data and acquiring data if there is none to assess.You are inquiring, but you are not finding the source which I present for your inquiry. The source to my findings is literature. I admire when you ask for evidence and explanation, but I am giving to you all that I have.I inquired too. I searched and practiced for over 20 years. I joined the Theosophical Society in 1975 after a short time studying prior to that (from 1974). The idea came to me in 1994. It took me 20 years to develop to the point of conceiving of the idea of the seven races being spread in a descend-ascend pattern.No one I knew cared to listen to me because they didn't need this idea to follow their dreams. They liked reading the writings of great individuals. I don't consider myself a great individual, but rather a person who is discontent. I hope I can improve, but when I DISCOVER that it is a higher kingdom acting rather than my human self, I am driven to speak out and tell people, rather than allow us to go on under the guise that we are improving ourselves and making these gains into powers and love individually.Under this new schematic, it is not me who is growing "in the light" but me who is being asked to play second fiddle to a higher being who has these abilities. What is my role but to show them, get love for them, and fade into the background?When some spiritual teacher is loved for their insights, where are they in the duo? Hidden from sight. People love the higher being and not the human. If I can make a contribution as a human, offering a place of distinction and honor to the girasas kingdom, I can guarantee love for both of us, suitable instruction and distinction for both of us. We can divide our labor, our honors, our love between two beings and not expect to ever get rid of the human just because a girasas wants to make themselves known.

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I don't know why Darwin's work can be accepted immediately and Blavatsky's can be so ridiculed and shunned, taunted, and debased.

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Personally, I just don't find your theory convincing.

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What distinguishes it from fiction? Why should I accept yours over JRR Tolkien's?

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In The Silmarillion the history of Arda is divided into four great time periods, known as the Ainulindal, the Years of the Lamps, the Years of the Trees and the Years of the Sun. In Middle-earth recorded history did not begin until the First Age and the Awakening of the Elves during the Years of the Trees - the time prior to that is simply known as the Beginning of Days. During the First Age the awakening of Men coincided with the first rising of the Sun and the beginning of The Years of the Sun, which have lasted from the First Age, through the Second, Third and Fourth Ages to the present day.

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What makes yours better than the above?

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To which you responded: You didn't address my post or answer my questions...Personally, I just don't find your theory convincing.What distinguishes it from fiction? Why should I accept yours over JRR Tolkien's?

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In The Silmarillion the history of Arda is divided into four great time periods, known as the Ainulindal, the Years of the Lamps, the Years of the Trees and the Years of the Sun. In Middle-earth recorded history did not begin until the First Age and the Awakening of the Elves during the Years of the Trees - the time prior to that is simply known as the Beginning of Days. During the First Age the awakening of Men coincided with the first rising of the Sun and the beginning of The Years of the Sun, which have lasted from the First Age, through the Second, Third and Fourth Ages to the present day.

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What makes your's better than the above?