NDE

They very well COULD WHEN it pertains to the mind (Conscious)
Behold:Our Conscious Mind Could Be An Electromagnetic FieldWise[This message has been edited by Wise, 11-09-2003]

And THAT is the problem.This is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of how Science STAGNATES without God!Let me explain.....Electricty , in the body,can only be explained just SO FAR by Science. When one leaves God out of the equation Science FALTERS and STAGNATES.
The CONSCIOUS is unexplainable. BIBLICALLY it CAN BE EXPLAINED, but the problem is,...Science REFUSES to acknowledge that man JUST MIGHT...JUST MIGHT....BE MORE than flesh and blood!So Science, absent from God, DIIIEESSSSS !BUT there IS hope ! There is someone from the UK who discovered something ! He just hasn't called it a SOUL yet!Behold:Our Conscious Mind Could Be An Electromagnetic FieldWise

Did you even think about answering my question before you posted? I doubt it.Do you read your own links? That researcher isn't proposing a soul. He's proposing that consciousness doesn't require a soul. He's proposing a totally naturalistic model of human consciousness that leaves no room for God. That's fine with me but I don't see how it supports your position. He's not more. That's not a "refusal to acknowledge." That's an acceptance of the truth.

He is speaking of an "electromagnetic field" that can make up the conscious. Of course he is not calling it a soul, but he IS CLOSE, very very close. Perhaps he might be an atheist with an OPEN mind but afraid to call it what it is....A SOUL.QUOTE:The theory solves many previously intractable problems of consciousness and could have profound implications for our concepts of mind, free will, *spirituality,* the design of artificial intelligence, *and even life and death,* he said.Looks like he mentions "God" and "soul" in an indirect wayWise

Wise, you are making a huge mistake. It is this area of research that may well find the soul. But it will NOT be the soul you want. You are pointing to someone suggesting natural explanations.He is suggesting that what we "are", our consciousness, out soul if you will, is the sum of em fields from electical acitivity in the brain. He is describing it in naturalistic terms. I get the impression from your post that you actually don't know what an electromagnetic field is!! This is astonishing but is the only way you could have chosen to post this reference which is so contrary to your position.Now I'm skeptical of this myself and I'm sure others are but it in *no way* supports you position. It is antithical to it.[This message has been edited by NosyNed, 11-09-2003]

A soul is by definition supernatural. He's talking about a purely natural phenomenon. Is this a distinction you're capable of making?

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It is well known that fasting enhances the mind and body.

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No, it is not "well-known".It is practiced in some religions and is a folk remedy for certain ailments, but is not particularly supported by science.

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It rids the body of toxins

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No, it doesn't.The liver does that and fasting only hinders this activity.

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and after so many days can place one in state of euphoria.

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http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/lcd.htmlThe most drastic way to reduce caloric intake is to stop eating completely. After a few days, body fats and proteins are metabolized to produce energy. The fats are broken down into fatty acids that can be used as fuel. In the absence of adequate carbohydrate, the fatty acids may be incompletely metabolized, yielding ketone bodies and thus ketosis. Prolonged fasting is unsafe, because it causes the body to begin to digest proteins from its muscles, heart, and other internal organs.

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A short fast such as 3 days is uite beneficial but not nearly as beneficial as say a 14 day or longer fast.

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Fasts are not beneficial.Fasts force the body to break down muscle and organ tissue in order to survive.

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In many cases it can bring deadly cancers under control.

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Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim.

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Search the net as to its benefits.

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I looked at my favorite health website, Home Page | Quackwatch but they didn't have much to say in support of fasting, and in fact said that fasting over a long time was harmful.

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What is the SOURCE of electricity?

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I told you.You eat fuel.Your body converts it to energy it can use to operate the systems.It is organic chemistry.It is metabolism.

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It is known that the electrical impulses originate from the brain.

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Actually, that is inaccurate.Action potentials of ions under the influence of chemicals called neurotransmitters are what activate nerve cells.

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Ones THOUGHTS as well are hard to define as to their origination. For instance you cannot show me ones "thoughts" on a physical level...can you?

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Well, crudely, yes.It's called a functional MRI.

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That is because there is something MORE to man than mere flesh and blood.

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Show me an Algebraic equation in someones thoughts
You CANNOT.

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I can show you what part of the brain is activated when they are doing algebra, though.

Hi 'Wise' Yes, it is called 'thinking' you should give it a go 'wise'. I think Stevie Wonder could see that I have backslidden. Not at all, while I am not exactly looking forward to death, it is not a thing that I think about.One difference between me and you 'wise', and there are many I should add, is that I live my life in reality, I don't waste the short time I have on this earth suffocating myself inside a fairytale tale. George Bush has been re-elected? Well I will try not to play chicken with a Mack truck and I will be OK.Does the idea of non-existence after death terrify you 'wise', is this why you cling desperately to these crazy ideas, or are you still pulling our legs. Brian.

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George Bush has been re-elected?

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Wait... George Bush was elected?

Oh yes, the christian church is such a supporter of the sciences. Lets look back at the people burned at the stake for saying the distant stars were suns, and those suns could have planets around them. Lets talk about how Gallileo was put under house arrest for the rest of his life for saying the sun was the center of the solar system, and only avoided execution by recanting some of his hypotheses. I would argue Science dies a very physical death when god is brought in.Just for the record, the conscious mind is recognized by science. In fact, science recognizes the conciousness in many other animals besides humans. I guess your task would be to show us how the electricity in our bodies differs from any other animal with a nervous system. How are we different from any other primate? Where in the nervous system is this soul that God bestowed on us humans and no other animal?Hmmm, this makes me want to read Phillip K. Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep". Got me to thinking, if you have ever owned a dog you know that they dream like we do. How much do you want to bet dog's have NDE's? I bet they do.

Yes, only three more horsemen to go and we can kiss our collective asses goodbye.

You know, for the record, Wise, this would convince me:http://www.angryflower.com/idleno.gif

You wanna see some really depressing Bush news...

LOL, don't put ideas into 'wise's' head.Brian