Western Philosophy and cracks...

We are kind of late by now,but I think we can still catch up with the greatest masters of the enlightment,the greeks,Buddha,Socrates,Platon,Jesus and all the rest....We just have to try at least...This site will be for the new american philosopher to re-discover the true meaning of life...(I already found mine) lol.
What's yours ?

Does anybody know who was the first great philosopher ?

quote:

---

Originally posted by caligula:
Does anybody know who was the first great philosopher ?

---

How would you make that determination? It seems like an impossible task.------------------
No webpage found at provided URL: www.hells-handmaiden.com

DNFTT

quote:

---

Originally posted by Quetzal:
DNFTT

---

?????------------------
No webpage found at provided URL: www.hells-handmaiden.com

Philosophy is a hard thing these days, it's almost impossible to get past semantics. There is plenty of real philosophy going on in the west it's just that it's being done by artists and musicians, in the comforts of coffe shops.------------------
Saved by an incredible Grace.

quote:

---

Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Philosophy is a hard thing these days, it's almost impossible to get past semantics. There is plenty of real philosophy going on in the west it's just that it's being done by artists and musicians, in the comforts of coffe shops.

---

I don't know about the artists and musicians part, but you are quite right about modern philosophy being plagued by semantic games. The problem originates in a very simple and sensible idea: If we are going to talk about something, we must first be clear about what we are discussing. Hence, endless debate about definition. The solution, I think, is to realize that language and even thought itself will never have the precision of mathematics-- that is why we invented math. Thought and language are fluid and more like metaphor and poetry.------------------
No webpage found at provided URL: www.hells-handmaiden.com

After contemplating that thought I would like to add that is exactly that that makes humans such a special race,'cause what you thought today might be in absolute contrast with what you'll think tomorrow,therefore changing your views and beliefs and starting over endlesssly.That is the real beauty of analytical thought.
" A mind is like a parachute,it only works well when it's fully open"
John Dewar

quote:

---

Originally posted by John:

quote:

---

Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Philosophy is a hard thing these days, it's almost impossible to get past semantics. There is plenty of real philosophy going on in the west it's just that it's being done by artists and musicians, in the comforts of coffe shops.

---

​

I don't know about the artists and musicians part, but you are quite right about modern philosophy being plagued by semantic games. The problem originates in a very simple and sensible idea: If we are going to talk about something, we must first be clear about what we are discussing. Hence, endless debate about definition. The solution, I think, is to realize that language and even thought itself will never have the precision of mathematics-- that is why we invented math. Thought and language are fluid and more like metaphor and poetry.

​

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by John:

quote:

---

Originally posted by Quetzal:
DNFTT

---

​

?????

​

---

Do Not Feed The Troll.

That was a great post ,How did he do that ? Is that a western philosophical code ?. or some ancient Mayan jeroglifical mumbo-jumbo ?(did I spelled that right ?)------------------
If you like this topic tell all your friends about it,if you don't,keep your mouth shut.

This is why people with artistic minds are the better philosophers. Unfortunately it takes like minded people to see what they are getting at. If you take analytical thinking too far you ruin the whole idea of philosophy. This is where the semantic games come in. I find that metaphor is a more effective way of expressing an idea than a mathematical equation. Although I guess that depends on who you are trying to express your idea to. If you are trying to convey an idea to a mathematical mind then I am quite wrong in saying metaphors are more accurate. However if I am discussing an idea with a creative mind then I could not be more right.Language can be used effectively, as long as we look at what the speaker intended to say instead of looking into what we wanted them to mean.I think I just confused myself. ------------------
Saved by an incredible Grace.

quote:

---

This is why people with artistic minds are the better philosophers.

---

Like who, for example? I am curious.

quote:

---

If you take analytical thinking too far you ruin the whole idea of philosophy.

---

The whole idea being...? Again, I am curious.

quote:

---

I find that metaphor is a more effective way of expressing an idea than a mathematical equation.

---

It depends on what you are trying to express and what you intend to do with the expression.------------------
No webpage found at provided URL: www.hells-handmaiden.com

yea,like this one :
"Wise men talk when they have something to say; fools,when they have to say something " Plato 365 BC

After I started to think about why artistic minds are better philosophers, I realized that they are just the ones that I understand the best. Probably because they think similarily to me.I guess I don't have specific examples of "great" artist/musician philosophers. I just find from talking to these sorts of people that they are less restricted in this area because of the loose creative aproach.As far as my comment on analytical thinking, I more meant critical thinking. I've noticed that critical thinkers lack that ability to look at what a speaker is intending to convey.To me philosophy is a looser thing, more like art or music than science or math. If you get too hung up on nit-picking details, you ruin the process of philosophy.The semantic games, that frequently ruin philosophical discussion can be easily avoided by looking at the speakers intended meaning, instead of jumping to conclusions based on your own presuppositions.Not really sure what I just said or if it has any substance.------------------
Saved by an incredible Grace.

Armageddon is here,and we run out of philosophers ?