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Dan Carroll
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Message 31 of 109 (113586)
06-08-2004 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Abshalom
06-08-2004 11:33 AM


Re: It's Just Spurious
Right, can I get a quick show of hands here... is anybody on this forum actually personally mourning for Ronald Reagan? I don't mean you liked him as a president, I mean you knew him, called him friend or more, and it grieves your heart that he is gone?
Anybody?
I mean... what with all this talk about a period of mourning, there's got to be somebody here who actually has a vested interest in mourning for him.

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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gene90
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Message 32 of 109 (113587)
06-08-2004 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by MrHambre
06-07-2004 4:58 PM


!
quote:
Ironically, President Carter was more responsible for the fall of the Soviets than Reagan, since he was the one who tooled up the mujaheedin during the USSR's protracted war in Afghanistan.
You mean, of course, Osama bin Laden.
Funny how I've always heard liberals, especially foreign liberals, talk about the US armed bin Laden and now somebody to my left pins it on a liberal Democrat.
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Mammuthus
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Posts: 3085
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Message 33 of 109 (113588)
06-08-2004 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Abshalom
06-08-2004 11:33 AM


Re: It's Just Spurious
Hi Ab,
You will notice that I did not sleaze-ball Reagan. I pointed out that he was controversial. It is an inopportune moment to attack him right now I agree. However, if public claims are made about him that are entirely inaccurate and we are told to not counter them out of "respect", I view it as an underhanded way of pushing a particular view or agenda and an attempt to supress the truth. It is just like the Camelot mythology that was pushed after Kennedy was assasinated.
In my own personal experience, when someone dies, one remembers the person and usually remembers them as they were...good or bad (or good and bad). Pretending that they were only good is not respectful to them either as it would be a lie. And if you did not like the person when they were alive, it is unlikely they will change your mind by dying.
Since I did not even personally know the guy, about the only feeling I get is that it reminds me that I was in high school during his first term and college during his second...and that fills me with dread because Poison was a popular band at the time..which is dreadful.

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1.61803
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Message 34 of 109 (113589)
06-08-2004 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Mammuthus
06-08-2004 11:59 AM


Re: It's Just Spurious
Hey...Poison rocked! You can criticize God, Jesus, Dead presidents but leave the hair bands alone!!!! LOL.

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Mammuthus
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Posts: 3085
From: Munich, Germany
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Message 35 of 109 (113591)
06-08-2004 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by 1.61803
06-08-2004 12:02 PM


Re: It's Just Spurious
Ok Ok..I admit it, I am merely jealous...they all looked way better in makeup and high heels then I do...damn genetics

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Dan Carroll
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Message 36 of 109 (113592)
06-08-2004 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Mammuthus
06-08-2004 12:05 PM


Re: It's Just Spurious
"Actually, we're Cyanide... a loving tribute to Poison!"
"We need a ride home!"

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Buzsaw
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Message 37 of 109 (113594)
06-08-2004 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by berberry
06-07-2004 3:52 PM


Re: This is disgusting!
Hi Berberry. Alzheimer's didn't enter my mine as I read the topic. I took it as a hint that the media is a bit overdoing the event. He was a popular president and I cast my vote for him, but repetitious non stop eulogizing can get weary. It was quite difficult getting the other news.

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 109 (113596)
06-08-2004 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Dan Carroll
06-08-2004 11:50 AM


Re: It's Just Spurious
I mean... what with all this talk about a period of mourning, there's got to be somebody here who actually has a vested interest in mourning for him.
Hi Dan. Nothing wrong in mourning for a loved president as was the case with the majority of Americans. Why does one need know one's beloved leader personally to mourn his death? Personally, I mourned more for him and his family when I heared he had alsheimers. Our family experienced this the last ten years of my own father's life and it's tough. He was a sweets and icecream addict and developed it in his sixties. I believe he clogged up his arteries with all the ice cream and other junk in his veggie deficient diet.

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Abshalom
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Message 39 of 109 (113597)
06-08-2004 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Dan Carroll
06-08-2004 11:50 AM


Re: It's Just Spurious
In Message 31, Dan Carroll whines, "I mean... what with all this talk about a period of mourning, there's got to be somebody here who actually has a vested interest in mourning for him."
Dan, maybe it's just that you have a vested interest in either substantiating the premise of this sorry thread, or vindicating your continued classless commentary.
Peace. Ab.
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Dan Carroll
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Message 40 of 109 (113598)
06-08-2004 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Buzsaw
06-08-2004 12:25 PM


Re: It's Just Spurious
Hi Dan. Nothing wrong in mourning for a loved president as was the case with the majority of Americans. Why does one need know one's beloved leader personally to mourn his death?
Hey, Buz. People can mourn his death without knowing him, I agree. But the way this thread is gone, you'd think criticizing the man was tantamount to stamping all over the hearts of his loved ones. So I guess I was just making a point... I figured there had to be a couple of his loved ones around for anyone here to be stamping on their hearts.
I mean Hell, I mourned for Jack Kirby, but was still willing to acknowledge that his later work was crap. Even on the day of his death. Why? Because I didn't know the guy personally, and it wasn't exactly tearing my heart out if somebody took a slam at him in front of me. Especially if it was a true slam.

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 41 of 109 (113600)
06-08-2004 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Abshalom
06-08-2004 12:29 PM


Re: It's Just Spurious
Dan, maybe it's just that you have a vested interest in either substantiating the premise of this sorry thread, or vindicating your continued classless commentary.
Actually, I'm just getting a great deal of entertainment out of this thread. Thanks for helping with that, Abshalom. You're a peach.
In the meantime, I guess we can take your above response as a no?

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Chiroptera
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Message 42 of 109 (113603)
06-08-2004 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by berberry
06-08-2004 4:25 AM


Re: There You Go Again
quote:
I simply acknowledged that some people, myself included, will observe a period of mourning for those we respect or those whose families we respect.
Now you seem to be sending mixed signals here. Do we only observe a period of mourning for those we respect? I have no respect whatsoever for Reagan. Am I therefore exempted from a period of mourning? If so, then what are you complaining about? If not, then do you advocate a "decent" period of mourning for everyone? Timothy McVeigh, Osama bin Laden, Milosevic as well? I recall you saying that you would exempt "murderers and rapists" from a "decent" period of mourning. Some of us would also exempt war criminals like Reagan. Who exactly gets a "decent" period of mourning, and who doesn't?

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Chiroptera
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Message 43 of 109 (113607)
06-08-2004 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Mammuthus
06-08-2004 5:39 AM


Re: There You Go Again
Thanks, Mammuthus. I came in this morning intending to make this very point. You saved me the trouble. You also expressed it much less confrontationally than I would have.

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MrHambre
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Posts: 1495
From: Framingham, MA, USA
Joined: 06-23-2003


Message 44 of 109 (113608)
06-08-2004 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by gene90
06-08-2004 11:51 AM


Typically Incisive Analysis
gene90,
In the insightful manner we've come to expect from you, you've missed the point completely. I fully agree that arming the mujaheedin was an egregiously short-sighted maneuver, since of course the Taliban and al Qaeda grew out of the mujaheedin movement. However, I was discussing Reagan's anti-communist track record and not the issue of fundamentalist Islamic terrorist networks. The Soviets' entanglement in Afghanistan is universally considered to be the straw that broke the camel's back as far as the USSR's economic and political collapse is concerned. Reagan's rhetoric at the Berlin Wall, and his threat to begin bombing in five minutes, were useless and irresponsible respectively.
regards,
Esteban Hambre

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sfs
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Posts: 464
From: Cambridge, MA USA
Joined: 08-27-2003


Message 45 of 109 (113609)
06-08-2004 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Mammuthus
06-08-2004 11:59 AM


Re: It's Just Spurious
You will notice that I did not sleaze-ball Reagan. I pointed out that he was controversial. It is an inopportune moment to attack him right now I agree. However, if public claims are made about him that are entirely inaccurate and we are told to not counter them out of "respect", I view it as an underhanded way of pushing a particular view or agenda and an attempt to supress the truth. It is just like the Camelot mythology that was pushed after Kennedy was assasinated.
I see that there is now a move afoot to have Reagan's picture on either the ten or the twenty dollar bill, or possibly on the dime (alternating with FDR). In this context it is not unreasonable to criticize his performance as president.

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