Reagan May Have Died, Cannot Recall At This Time

Considering that the current picture on the US $20 bill is that of an ethnic cleanser extraordinaire, would Reagan's picture be any worse?

In Message 45, sfs says, "I see that there is now a move afoot to have Reagan's picture on either the ten or the twenty dollar bill, or possibly on the dime (alternating with FDR). In this context it is not unreasonable to criticize his performance as president."These ideas were afoot months before (and made the news well in advance of) Reagan's death. Their appropriateness was the subject of debate before his passing, and can continue to be addressed after the funeral. What's the rush?Peace. Ab.

Current politics aside, I'd prefer Reagan to Jackson. Honoring Jackson is pretty vile. (I'm not fond of political myth-making of any stripe, however.)

No more than I am mourning the pauper on the street corner who dies in the cold. I find it amusing when celebs hit the dust, as there's this big show of "mourning" or there's supposed to be anyhow, and an outpouring of drama queen activity. Yes, I said it - it amuses me when eye candy gets sucked. But I'm not picking on anyone in particular you know, just incase you correct my unrighteouss dis-respect.I mean, this big ol' "let's whip Dan because we are more holy than him" is making me barf out my recently digested moral conduct. Buncha good ol' "holier than thous" preparing the Dan calf for atonement of his dirty comedic soul. Yeesh already, and Carroll with two "l"s is now their atonement. Killed by the wrath of pompous "whip out your hanker, chief". ANd cry like a baba cos someone you don't know is dust. Tis confusion in this instance, to abuse and mis-use ol' less of a chance. IOW, lay off the goon.Now in english: Why is everyone attacking Dan? Cos I likes his honesty, and he ain't the devil for acting a goon ya know. Yeesh!This is most backward of me.

Now is when Reagan is being lauded to the skies, not after the funeral; now is when the public is paying attention.There is a hoary tradition of lying, if only by omission, when eulogizing the dead. Normally it doesn't do much harm, but when the eulogies serve a partisan political purpose the situaion is different.

Mike's evil twin knows the score.

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There is a hoary tradition of lying, if only by omission, when eulogizing the dead. Normally it doesn't do much harm, but when the eulogies serve a partisan political purpose the situaion is different.

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Especially when it appears on the front page of what we in the U.S. euphemistically call our "news" media, rather than the op-ed page. People without access to actual news and facts might confuse the made-up accomplishments as real history.

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I think most anyone seeing the title to this thread is going to think of Alzheimer's, not Iran-Contra.

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I didn't. I knew exactly what he meant. In fact, I have always found it incredible that a guy so often lauded for his vigor, wit, and energy just happened not to be able to recall taking part in illegal and unconstitutional activities.That is, he was lying his ass off.As i find most conservative politicians do.Look at the pack we've got now...

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Mam:
I actually only knew he was still alive because Nancy Reagan has been pushing for stem cell research. I also work a bit on Alzheimer's (a side project)so Reagan's name sometimes comes up....I could not remember if Ford was dead or not

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And that brings up an interesting trait of conservatives - they are pre-programmed to be 'against' this or that until the 'this or that' hits home. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Reagan had been against Alzheimer's research while in office. I recall Limbaugh ranting and raving about how people who take up a cause are bleeding hearts and such - then when it comes out that Reagan had Alzheimer's, he's 'we need more research blah blah'...Reminds me of a story on 20/20 or one of those shows a few years ago about an anti-abortion activist who had protested against stem cell research, then his daughter gets some disease and stem cells offer the only real hope, so suddenly he is for stem cell research...Fucking hypocrites...

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... war criminals like Reagan

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Another interesting point.I suppose you are referring to his Iran-Contra antics?The mention of war, however, brings up another point.On more than one occasion, during campaigns, reagan had 'remembered' how he had either been there when Nazi death camps were liberated or had been in planes flying bom,bing missions in WWII.Problem was, Reagan did not serve in WWII. Being ther moral hypocrite that so many pro-war conservatives are, he made 'war movies' instead of actually fighting, as 'librals' Jimmy Syewart and Errol Flynn did.Even bigger problem - despite the fact that this should have been offensive to veterans (and everyone that doesn't like being lied to), nobody seemed to even notice, much less put up a stink about it. I believe it was conservative Peggy Noonan that wrote of it 'it did't matter because it was a good story.'Yeah, doesn't matter that the 'Commander in chief' claimed to have liberated death camps when his cowardly ass never left the U.S....

Ya know, I am as against Regan, his kind and all he stood for as almost anyone. However, I do agree that it doesn't hurt to hold off on that for a few days. You don't have to get all weeping and make a bunch of BS statements about how great and wonderful he was but you can hold off on setting history straight for a week.Just a personal opinion of course

It strikes me as utterly unbelievable that otherwise highly intelligent people require that something as simple as mourning customs must be spelled out in the starkest possible terms in order that they might understand. To wit...Chiroptera writes:

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Now you seem to be sending mixed signals here. Do we only observe a period of mourning for those we respect?

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As I stated in the very sentence you quoted, I would observe this formality for anyone I respect or for anyone whose family I respect. Is my use of the word 'or' the source of your confusion?

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I have no respect whatsoever for Reagan. Am I therefore exempted from a period of mourning?

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As I said in message 17, message 20 and message 27 I do not hold anyone else to this standard. You are free to damn Reagan to your heart's content.I don't see why everyone feels the need to justify their anger at Reagan with me. I'm NOT a Reagan Republican, as should be obvious from most any one of my posts dealing with any issue related even tangentially to politics. If you want to criticize Reagan it is far more likely that I will agree with you than challenge you. However, out of respect I will refrain from serious criticism during the period that the family is mourning his death.This has nothing to do with whether or not Nancy drops by evcforum. It has to do with the fact that this is a public forum.For the record, I do not consider Reagan to be a war criminal. If I did I should have to think the same thing of quite a number of other presidents I admire.

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If so, then what are you complaining about?

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No, no, what was I complaining about. That was some time ago, back at message 4. I was complaining about the title of this thread. One or two posts later I unwisely attempted to explain an apparently cryptic Southern custom, and since that time I seem to have been placed in the position of defending it.

We understand, we just don't agree.Pretend that I called Reagan a toffee-nosed buffoon. Since none of his friends or familiy are here to read it, and certainly Reagan isn't, whose pocket does it pick? Whose leg does it break?If it's not your purpose to defend the custom, then why are you doing it? Why did you even bring it up if not to condemn us for not following it?

And had you bothered to finish reading my response, I stated,

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The very least you could do is allow a time of mourning.

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Oh, Im sorry. You must have missed that.