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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 25 of 79 (288367)
02-19-2006 3:28 PM


I believe we can in a very physical way describe emotions with science.
However it is like painting a house with water. When we attempt to describe things that are spiritual, seeing things from a purely scientific perspective denies that we exist.
The very nature of science does not allow for the essence of emotion.
Science with emotion is no longer science. It becomes religion.
Science does not allow for or will it ever recognize emotion or intent. It cannot...that is both it's weakness and it's strength.
When using science to explore and define what makes us human we need to recognize that by nature it dehumanizes us.
If you find this view interesting I have a similar perspective in the "should creationism be taught in schools thread. I believe it is worth consideration.
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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 57 of 79 (293387)
03-08-2006 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by inkorrekt
03-07-2006 6:27 PM


Re: Chemicals and emotions
There is something beyond stimulus response. Animals do have a soul. About bacteria, I have to work on. Very good question.
This is just a response to both you and holmes along these lines.
All through history we as humans have used the argument of being suprior in some form or fashion to that which we intend to subject to actions which we would consider "inhuman" Differnt races....different genders....different species. One by one history has shown us our mistakes. One has to consider the posibilities.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 59 of 79 (307239)
04-28-2006 1:21 AM


Having science define emotions makes about as much sense as having A musical without music preformed by acountants.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 63 of 79 (307334)
04-28-2006 10:13 AM


When science defines emotion the resulting definition lacks any hint of
what we know to be emotion. This is because science does not recognise and cannot describe or detect what we are. In order to truly understand this, one must drop the tool of science and do some "hands on".
It would seem that many here do not know how to do that.
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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 65 of 79 (307445)
04-28-2006 3:32 PM
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04-28-2006 11:35 AM


Re: Emotions, science and living
Science can never tell us everything about emotion (because the subjective experience is beyond its reach), but it can certainly provide important insights into its purpose and physical basis.
Science will only give us a clue to emotions purpose in a very clinical, physical and non human sense. Trying to understand something through this narrow view and making conclusions from it will cause more harm than good. Hence all the drugs we throw mindlessly at emotional problems in order to "fix" them. The problem is that science tend to poo poo the degree that the mental affects the physical.
Feeling emotion is a part of being human. No-one needs to do any practical work to do that. Understanding how it works is a different matter.
I would dissagree. We have the proper tools to understand emotions as they are meant to be understood. Science is not the tool for the job.
How to correct a chemical imbalance that causes severe disability or very deranged behavior...yeah....it is the lesser of 2 evils. The other being disgarding the individual in some form. We have a long way to go in that department.
As we begin tampering with the ability to manipulate the human experience....who will get to play God and determine what is proper emotional behavior? When you consider the capitolist society we live in...in light of the drug comercials already spanking our ego's and preying on our fears...it does not take a genious to see it is a bad mix.
In my opinion we are learning things at a rate that far exceeds our ability to deal with them on a human basis. We always leap before we look. A fast paced society that accelerates will eventually trip over itself. There is value to the addage...keep it simple stupid.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 69 of 79 (307637)
04-29-2006 1:26 AM
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04-28-2006 3:48 PM


Re: Emotions, science and living
I disagree. Without chemical treatment schizophrenia and manic depression are completely debilitating diseases. With treatment people can live relatively normal lives. I'd say that's an improvement over locking such people away in an institution, or treating them as though they were possessed by demons. Wouldn't you?
Schizo perhaps. I have no direct experience there. Manic depression...my experience is that in some cases it can be a good thing. In others it seems to only be a lesser of two "evils" if you will and often a doctor is just taking stabs in the dark with meds. That whole scenario is more of a crap shoot than anything.
The demon comment was a bit childish.
I have basically agreed with these scenarios in my previous post. It is the turning to meds on a wider basis where they are not needed and over prescribed that I object to. As I said...far too often they are turned to as THE solution.
That first sentence doesn't make much sense to me. I feel my emotions, I don't necessarily understand them. I don't see any conflict between feeling and acting upon my own emotions, and science trying to understand emotions in a general way. I don't see what threat scientific understanding poses to me.
Your first sentance says it all for me.
I like the society I live in. It seems more generous and more liberating than any society I've read about. I'm glad I live now rather than any time in the past. And scientific advances excite rather than frighten me. So I can't share your concern
knowledge is knowledge. Weather or not it is an advance is a matter of perspective. You are of the catagory Why?....because I can. Should I?
Does not matter. I can...it's all good. Of course you do not share my concern. My concern it would seem is people like yourself.

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