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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Everyone knows it isn't real science unless the machine takes up half the rooms, thats why I always analyse my plasmid digests by mass. spec. rather than boring old electrophoresis .
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I would like to point you to a brief exchange I had with TC.
EvC Forum: "Creation Science" on astrophysics? And to another exchange here:
EvC Forum: Why, if god limited man's life to 120 years, did people live longer? ------------------
No webpage found at provided URL: www.hells-handmaiden.com
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Thanks, John. That's an interesting discussion. I myself am certainly not versed in Hebrew translation, so I'm going entirely on the word of others, although others I would consider reliable.
I'm not sure why you consider "Strong's Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary" inaccurate on this point? Is it an inferior source? Or misquoted? You say:
I asked this question of a Rabbi fluent in Hebrew and he looked at me as I were insane. While I do not doubt this is true, I have little trouble with the idea that word meanings may well have changed since the biblical times, so the opinions of modern hebrew speakers might not be directly relevant.
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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6039 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
" Everyone knows it isn't real science unless the machine takes up half the rooms,"
Actually, Wounded, if you just walk around in a white coat with something that looks like your avatar picture, you get plenty of respect. Especially at bus stations. People clear out of your way. You know, out of respect. [This message has been edited by Zhimbo, 08-11-2003]
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: Look Schraf. You needn't apprise me as to what a doctorate is. You totally missed the implication of my point/post that exclusivistic educational institutions who narrowmindedly indoctrinate their young impressionable student's minds with information limited to the narrow minded approach those institutions use may leave the graduate less informed as to knowledge and truth than less accredited schools of thought cover in their curriculum. The same is true with home schools in some cases as compared with public schools.
quote: .........And chemistry, and science, (including alternative scientific views) and biology, and history (often with broader views such as much founder material which has been removed in recent decades from public school textbooks). Besides, the home schooled child receives a great deal more individual attention, allowing for questions on a very wide variety of subjects to be researched and answered by the parent teacher. Likely the same often holds true with small higer educational institutions.
quote: That it was not accredited does not mean Hovind did not study there. He explains that it was more than a home when he attended.
quote: ........And, don't forget, with a record of higher SAT score averages.
quote: But, like homeschools and unlike accredited institutions they are not subjected to the narrow mindset of the accredited institutions in their curriculum. Thus my point that they may end up with a broader, higher degree range of knowledge.
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.........And who have been a number of the greatest renouned inspirational evangelists and preachers of Christianity's past? Undegreed notables such as:1. First and formost, Jesus himself, founder. 2. Most of the apostles of Jesus. 3. Charles Wesley 4. Gypsie Smith of England 5. Billy Sunday 6. Dwight Moody 7. Charles Finney 8. David Livingstone 9. Hudson Taylor 10. David Brainard 11. George Whitman .......To name a few. quote: Likely I couldn't do worse than with conventional medicine practitioners who've been mass produced/educated in drug cartel driven money hungry knife/needle/pill medical institutions which are programming into the practitioners of modern medicine the agenda of expensive treatment of symptoms rather than treating/solving causes. Conventional medical practioners bury their mistakes and those terminal patients who do survive their sophisticated quakery must often turn to wholistic naturalpathic alternatives for any hope of recovery or survival. So to your last question, Schraf, the last person I'd want me or my children as health advisor/practitioner is a PHD doc. We have raised our children healthfully and successfully and kept ourselves well with our knowledge of alternative medicine, i.e herbal, supplemental, and natural remedies for sickness. Injury is quite another matter. The docs are good for putting broken parts back together, but after that, get me home ASAP before they pump me full of harmful pills, serums and other stuff.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Besides, the home schooled child receives a great deal more individual attention, allowing for questions on a very wide variety of subjects to be researched and answered by the parent teacher. Likely the same often holds true with small higer educational institutions. Maybe, but we're talking about biology. You can't learn biology except in the lab, and in the field, from people who learned it in the lab and field. You can't learn it from books - not to the degree necessary to actually do biology. Just like you can't learn to be a neurosurgeon from a copy of Gray's Anatomy. Most people's homes don't have biology labs, to my knowledge. You can't homeschool a PH.D in biology. But it's refreshing to see your anti-intellectualism so brazenly stated. We had all suspected it, of course. [This message has been edited by crashfrog, 08-11-2003]
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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6039 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
It's good to know that Buz is at least consistent in his derision of all intellectual authority, PhD's, M.D.s, accrediting bodies, the whole schmear. Cuz, you know, anyone can get this stuff right. Look at Buz!
Of course, anyone can be right, regardless of degree. Which is why Hovind need not claim to have a degree from a identified DIPLOMA MILL (that designation didn't arise from us, remember)? That he went through the bother of getting such a questionable piece of paper is another example of the bizarre worship/derision complex creationists have with the academic elite. [edited by Zhimbo to change the word "crash" to "Buz", cuz the wires in my brain were crossed] [This message has been edited by Zhimbo, 08-11-2003]
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
It's good to know that crash is at least consistent in his derision of all intellectual authority, PhD's, M.D.s, accrediting bodies, the whole schmear. Huh? Are you sure it's me you meant to talk about? I'm not aware of having been derisive to intellectual authority. I fear I may have been the mistaken target of some drive-by sarcasm. Added by edit: I'll leave this post around so that future generations will know what we're talking about. [This message has been edited by crashfrog, 08-11-2003]
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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6039 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
D'oh! Buz, I meant buz. I'll edit that, I can't let that stand.
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
It was my avatar picture wasn't it, it threw you off balance, you were too busy 'respecting' me.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: No. Read carefully what it says. TC's post has the relevant portion outlined in red.
EvC Forum: "Creation Science" on astrophysics? Strongs gives YOWM to mean a literal day-- from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunrise to the next-- or a figurative 'day.' This latter is 'a space of time defined by an associated term.' In the relevant texts of Genesis, there are no associated terms.
quote: Certainly meanings have changed with time. However, there is Hebrew literature and commentary dating back two thousand years -- masses of it. This man's library is full of this stuff-- thousands of volumes. So I am pretty confident he has a good grasp of the language, at least as far back as a couple thousand years ago. Prior to that, it becomes more tricky. Hebrew had a bad spell and nearly vanished altogether. Some of the language was lost. Now, if you ( general ) want to argue that this very convenient bit was lost, as far as I can determine, it is going to be an uphill battle. I haven't been able to find any academic sources to verify the much repeated 'day can mean age' idea. ------------------
No webpage found at provided URL: www.hells-handmaiden.com [This message has been edited by John, 08-11-2003]
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greyline Inactive Member |
quote: Where does this nonsense come from? Have you ever actually set foot inside a university, buz? I have an undergraduate biology degree and a large part of the course consisted of lab work. I wasn't indoctrinated; I performed experiments and I personally observed the results. ------------------o--greyline--o
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Could have fooled me. It sure seemed like you hadn't a clue. Of course, not much has changed in my assesment, but I'm sure you don't care much about that.
quote: Which mode of thought is more narrow-minded, Buz; the fundamentalist Christian Biblical literalist mode of thought which will not ever change and claims to have the ultimate truth about everything forever, or the mainstream accredited educational institution (particularly in science) in which students are encouraged to think critically about what they learn, in-depth analysis and new ideas are lauded, and the overturning of dominant paradigms in the light of new evidence will make you famous? It seems to me that you have things backwards; you and those like you are terribly narrow minded because you refuse to examine evidence, think critically, or in general learn anything new at all. To you, the Bible is right, end of story, don't need to think or learn anything more. Case, and minds, firmly closed.
quote: Agreed. I think that most public schools avoid the teaching of Evolution because of the protestations of willfully-ignorant religious people imposing their religious views on how science is taught in classrooms, so Biology at basic levels would probably be better taught at home.
quote: What "alternative" scientific views? Lamarkism? Panspermia?
quote: Do you mean the untrue mythologies and patriotic propaganda that has been removed? Anyway, no kidding, home schoolers get taught all the same stuff, and maybe more, as kids who attend regular school. Not news to me. However, I have known two kinds of home-schooled people as adults. I have known those who's parents were highly educated and specially trained to be educators themselves (schoolteachers or college professors), and the ones who's parents were religious fundamentalists. The holes in the education of the second group were pretty astonishing, while those in the first group were very well-rounded. Now, this is just my anectodal experience, I am aware.
quote: Again, not news to me.
quote: Agreed. I went to a very small college and got a great deal of individual attention and was able to participate in class a lot.
quote: There have been many attempts by various people to get a copy of Hovind's Doctoral dissertation. He is very shady on the subject. See, at a real university, any doctoral dissertation which has been approoved is available for anyone to view or get a copy of if requested. That's because real doctoral dissertations, by definition, must contain original theories or data, and can be used as cites in other papers. Please see the following site for more information about Hovind's lame excuse for a dissertation: Account Suspended
quote: Come on, Buz. If it smells like a rat, looks like a rat, and acts like a rat, don't you think it's reasonable to think it's a rat? Or, do people who think the way you like get special dispensations from the Christian teachings regarding honesty and integrity?
quote: Yes, they might get a broader range of knowledge. However, that would only be at institutions which actually teach anything. Patriot University is widely recognized to be a diploma mill. Buz, have you ever wondered why we have any standards for anything? It's so people can't walk around calling themselves medical doctors just because they feel like it. People lives are in their hands, so it makes sense to create some baseline standards of knowledge and expertise to judge all those who wish to practice medicine against. THAT's what accredtiting a University is all about; so being a doctor (or earning a Doctorate) means something. There's a reason so many people from all over the world flock to many American universities; our standards for educational quality in our institutions of higher learning are some of the most stringent in the world. People like you think that means nothing, all the while pecking away at the keyboard of your home computer that was developed by hundreds of people who graduated from the evil, narrow-minded universities you love to spit on.
quote: OK. Ever heard of anyone getting small pox these days? No? Why not, do you think?
quote: Buz, answer the question. Would you want your personal physician to have gotten his/her degrees from Patriot University, a known diploma mill?
quote: Wow, you value ignorance over knowledge, voodoo over expertise, and wishfull thinking over tried and true. Why do you hate the smart and educated so much, Buz?
quote: They probably didn't get anything major, then, right?
quote: Yes, insulin injections to avoid dying of a diabetic coma are truly harmful. The asthma medication that keeps my sister alive is killing her. The antihistamines and adrenaline injection that they gave me when I was 6 and had a violent allergic reaction to a bee sting was harmful, too. The open heart surgery that my niece underwent when she was 2 to fix a life-threatening birth defect in her aorta so that now she lives a totally normal life of a 12 year old was horribly misguided.
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greyline Inactive Member |
quote: Medical practitioners don't have PhDs (unless they decided to get an additional degree for kicks). Just thought I'd mention that. ------------------o--greyline--o
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
It comes from the fact that these people largely agree with the mainstream scientific view, and only those indoctrinated into a religion like Buz's agree with him. The obvious explanation that the evidence is in line with the scientific view, and against Buz's beliefs is absolutely unacceptable. And so it is necessary to make up excuses.
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