Are creationists capable of autonomous, self-propelled flight?

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Originally posted by compmage:

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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Maybe adam and eve lived 40 million years in the garden. And the fall of man and death, and a need for measurement of time, came to be a mere 6000 years ago.

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Then god would truly be cruel. 40 million years of obedience and man is damned to hell for one sin.

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We only had one rule. C'mon shouldn't be that hard to live with only 1 rule. ------------------
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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:

We only had one rule. C'mon shouldn't be that hard to live with only 1 rule.

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Irrelavent. If I had been god I would have forgive one sin after 40 million years of obedience. That makes me more loving and compassionate than a god who would not forgive that one sin.------------------
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I'm guessing you are human. So that pretty much eliminates you from being Holy. So that would make sin tolerable for you. So you could let it slide, because you're not God.------------------
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We already know from the Bible that God is willing to forgive anyone any number of any kind of sin (which is willful disobedience of God). It is actually we who are to blame when we reject God, who has given us free will. Many of us have chosen to turn from him and choose not to be with him for eternity. He loves us so much that he even gives us that choice. It has no bearing on God at all, it is our own stubborness, pride, and self-conceit.

I find it appalling, that a topic I started as a joke has turned into some sort of serious discussion.I'm going to have to talk to Admin, about instituting a new forum rule against such things happening.Moose

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Originally posted by minnemooseus:
I find it appalling, that a topic I started as a joke has turned into some sort of serious discussion.

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I'm going to have to talk to Admin, about instituting a new forum rule against such things happening.

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Oh come on now!! Be a sport. Think of all those topics that turn to drivel ------------------
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No-one wanted to joke around anymore it got half intelligent. oops. sorry. ------------------
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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:

I'm guessing you are human.

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Correct.

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So that pretty much eliminates you from being Holy.

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Why?

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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:

So that would make sin tolerable for you. So you could let it slide, because you're not God.

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God can't forgive sins? Then what is this whole Jesus thing about?------------------
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I wish Chara would come back and answer this one. She did a wonderful job of this question in another discussion, though I can't find it now of course. She did an excellent job of defining the word Holy. Maybe she can better word this than I can.------------------
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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
I wish Chara would come back and answer this one. She did a wonderful job of this question in another discussion, though I can't find it now of course. She did an excellent job of defining the word Holy. Maybe she can better word this than I can.

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You can define a word to mean anything you want but that defeats the purpose of having words. Lets look at a dictionary definition (Holy Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com):

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holy P Pronunciation Key (hl)
adj. holier, holiest

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1) Belonging to, derived from, or associated with a divine power; sacred.
2) Regarded with or worthy of worship or veneration; revered: a holy book.
3) Living according to a strict or highly moral religious or spiritual system; saintly: a holy person.
4) Specified or set apart for a religious purpose: a holy place.
5) Solemnly undertaken; sacrosanct: a holy pledge.
6) Regarded as deserving special respect or reverence: The pursuit of peace is our holiest quest.
7) Informal. Used as an intensive: raised holy hell over the mischief their children did.

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Using this definition a human certainly can be Holy.You also didn't answer this question. Let me repeat.

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God can't forgive sins? Then what is this whole Jesus thing about?

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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
No-one wanted to joke around anymore it got half intelligent. oops. sorry.

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Yeah. What were you thinking? I'm holding you responsible.------------------
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Guess I should have stayed with my "flat earth flying creationist" approach. It was more fun anyways. lol. should change my signature to "flying creationist".------------------
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Originally posted by compmage:
You also didn't answer this question. Let me repeat.

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God can't forgive sins? Then what is this whole Jesus thing about?

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Compmage, I know that this same question has been dealt with in other recent posts. Having said that ....From my quick perusal of the preceding thread, I did not see where funk said that God can't forgive sins. The fact is, He can and has provided forgiveness through what Jesus accomplished on the cross.What funk was saying was that without Jesus' payment of our debt (through the cross) there is no forgiveness of sin. EvC Forum: A puzzling thing about traditional religion

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Originally posted by Chara:

Compmage, I know that this same question has been dealt with in other recent posts. Having said that ....

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From my quick perusal of the preceding thread, I did not see where funk said that God can't forgive sins.

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So you missed this then:

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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:

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So you could let it slide, because you're not God.

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Funk is saying that I can forgive sins because I am not god. That implies that god can't forgive sins.I then asked a question, escentially to clarify if that was what he ment and if my interpretation was correct what the purpose of Jesus is. He hasn't answered.

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The fact is, He can and has provided forgiveness through what Jesus accomplished on the cross.

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Assuming that this all happened. Why require your son to die a horrible death to excuses someone from a punishment (hell) that you yourself inflict?------------------
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For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.Death=seperation from God, Life=proximity to God.Our sin seperates us from God the penalty is death. That's just the way it is, it's what God told Adam right off the bat. So we screwed up, every single one of us sins. God is Holy and cannot tolerate sin, Jesus did not sin yet he paid the price willingly in order to save those who would accept this gift.Those who do not want this gift do not have to take it. Free-will. If they do not take this gift that was offered then they are responsible for their own account with God. Death. Eternal seperation from God.So unless Jesus the new High Priest, intercedes for you on your behalf , then you're on your own. The only one who can pay the price for you is Jesus.This is why Jesus had to live, die and rise again to build that bridge between man and God, that man may cross over into fellowship with his creator.------------------
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