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Author Topic:   Do I have a choice? (determinism vs libertarianism vs compatibilism)
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Message 3 of 210 (357756)
10-20-2006 1:23 PM
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10-20-2006 1:03 PM


This seems like a fairly good summation. I should have posted something similiar ages ago if my time wasn't so limited.
I happen to believe you were free to post it for a number of reasons but these questions must be addressed first before a real answer can be deduced.
In brevity answer these questions. You do not necessarily have to post the answers; they are for yourself of course.
What area of the world were you raised in: industrial, rural, etc?
What religion did your parents hold?
What culture were you immersed in?
Mention a few qualities or values that you were raised to have.
This should or should not be more comprehensive but before one could decide whether one's action was free one must tell us or remember a little about one's own environment.
If you are a traditional compatibilist you must answer this question for your action is free unless it is externally constrained.
To add, your will must be made by a second-order volition: a second-order desire on which one wants to act upon.
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Message 19 of 210 (358107)
10-22-2006 11:00 AM
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10-22-2006 10:12 AM


Indeterminism
If free actions are uncaused then one is not responsible for them.
This is a hole of indeterminism.

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Message 21 of 210 (358130)
10-22-2006 12:43 PM
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10-22-2006 11:24 AM


Re: Indeterminism
If "a random component" contributed to the decided outcome and if this "random component" did not exist then there would have been a different outcome?
A good example of this would require much ingenuity and creativity.
I could provide one.
In summation I find there being no responsibility if a "random component" contributed to the ouutcome and it is a variable that would change the outcome if removed.

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Message 23 of 210 (358137)
10-22-2006 1:23 PM
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Re: Indeterminism
I agree with you now. I appreciate your example.

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Message 31 of 210 (358169)
10-22-2006 5:06 PM
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10-22-2006 4:44 PM


Re: Indeterminism
If an action is uncaused then no one did it.

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