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RAZD
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Message 1 of 94 (138095)
08-30-2004 11:49 AM


Candy recalled over tasteless toys
http://www.news-leader.com/today/0828-Candyrecal-166398.html
Miami Small toys showing an airplane flying into the World Trade Center were packed inside more than 14,000 bags of candy and sent to small groceries around the country before being recalled.
Lisy Corp., the wholesaler that distributed the candy, said Friday that the toys were purchased in bulk from a Miami-based import company.
The toys came in an assortment purchased sight unseen from L&M Import in Miami and included the toys depicting the Sept. 11, 2001, attack on the twin towers, whistles and other small toys, said Luis Pedron, Lisy's national sales manager. The invoice said the toy was a plastic swing set.
This is what you get when you outsource design jobs, manufacturing jobs, quality control and inspection jobs.
Enjoy

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Message 2 of 94 (138102)
08-30-2004 12:04 PM


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PecosGeorge
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Message 3 of 94 (138126)
08-30-2004 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
08-30-2004 11:49 AM


Yup, that's what you get.
First of all, this thing is disgusting, and the love of money is the root of all evil.
I have my go-rounds with outsourcing - monthly. People with poor English skills, either to understand it or to speak it. Irritating.
Don't you think? (LOL)

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RAZD
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Message 4 of 94 (138135)
08-30-2004 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by PecosGeorge
08-30-2004 1:46 PM


thanks
for pointing me to the article.

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joshua221 
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Message 5 of 94 (138143)
08-30-2004 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by PecosGeorge
08-30-2004 1:46 PM


quote:
Yup, that's what you get.
First of all, this thing is disgusting, and the love of money is the root of all evil.
I have my go-rounds with outsourcing - monthly. People with poor English skills, either to understand it or to speak it. Irritating.
Don't you think? (LOL)
First of all this reply is disgusting, cracking jokes about people you will never meet is messed up, considering they are amazingly BETTER at what they do than most of the Great USA...
HP Tech Support is a prime example of people with great communication skills.
I recently called them for my lil sister's computer, it was hijacked by spyware lol.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 6 of 94 (138144)
08-30-2004 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by PecosGeorge
08-30-2004 1:46 PM


wait it just hit me that pecos might have been joking lol!

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 7 of 94 (138145)
08-30-2004 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
08-30-2004 11:49 AM


Rememeber this is one instance to hundreds of Happy Customers including me.
This isn't ususally what you get.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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RAZD
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Message 8 of 94 (138168)
08-30-2004 3:09 PM
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08-30-2004 2:24 PM


It is inevitably what you get.
When the dollar is more important than the customer. Or the employee.

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Yaro
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Message 9 of 94 (138169)
08-30-2004 3:10 PM


Are you sure that toy has anything to do with 9/11? I mean it says the model number is 9011, that could be a coincidence. Only reason I say this is cuz the buildings look nothing like the twin towers, neither does the plane look like a normal plane by any streach.
Could this not just be a coincidence and misenterpretation?

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joshua221 
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Message 10 of 94 (138536)
08-31-2004 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by RAZD
08-30-2004 3:09 PM


How could you say that?
If I owned a huge company, I would hire the more efficient person for the job, wouldn't you?

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 11 of 94 (138537)
08-31-2004 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Yaro
08-30-2004 3:10 PM


Another nice point.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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RAZD
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Message 12 of 94 (138563)
08-31-2004 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by joshua221
08-31-2004 3:12 PM


if you owned a huge company and did the work yourself, then yes you get the most efficient for the money.
when you outsource though you are buying a product and not the services that go in to making the product. when you buy on the basis of best price, then the supplier is not going to be spending a lot on quality control.
it is plain economics caveat emptor and all.

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jar
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Message 13 of 94 (138571)
08-31-2004 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by joshua221
08-31-2004 3:12 PM


If I owned a huge company, I would hire the more efficient person for the job, wouldn't you?
If you owned the company, that might be exactly what you'd do. But that is very seldom the case these days. Instead, most companies are publicly owned. And a large percentage of that public ownership is actually held not by individuals, but by funds.
This is an important and seldom discussed issue. Because the ownership is distributed, the classic concept of doing what is best for the company, and that in turn being what's best for the owner and workers, and for the location, town, city, country, falls apart. Instead, decisions are made based on what would be best for the next renumeration review period. What will look best on the next quarterly statement?
In addition, costs involved in many of the decisions do not fall on the shoulders of the owner or corporation.
When there were still owner/operators in the world of business, social considerations and the long time health of both the company and its community were often aligned. If the owner made bad decisions, his neighbors, his friends, would be intimitely involved. That is no longer the case.
When jobs are outsourced, the company bears little or none of the costs incurred by the community that loses the jobs. When decisions are made that adversely affect the long term viability of the company but positively affect the short term profitability, the current set of managers gain as do the distributed ownership. But even if those decisions destroy the company over the long term, the distributed ownership and the managers de jour are not adversly affected. The managers bail out and go to greener pastures, the distributed owners are sheltered because the comapny is only a small part of the package and only the workers and community suffer.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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nator
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Message 14 of 94 (145007)
09-27-2004 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by jar
08-31-2004 5:33 PM


quote:
When there were still owner/operators in the world of business, social considerations and the long time health of both the company and its community were often aligned. If the owner made bad decisions, his neighbors, his friends, would be intimitely involved. That is no longer the case.
Too true, except you can still find these smaller, non-incorporated businesses, such as the one I work for.
Our guests ask constantly why we don't franchise, and I just tell them "Look what happened to Starbucks and Border's Books." They both used to be really great businesses where the people working the floor or the bar were really passionate about what they were selling, could give you really exceptional service, were treated well by management, etc.
Now, can you really tell the difference between Border's and Barnes and Noble's? I can't.
And do the people behind the counter at Starbucks seem happy to be there and do they give a crap about coffee? Nope.
What is the lesson?
BUY LOCAL, from small companies.
Yes, it may cost a little more, but at least you are keeping your money in your own community instead of sending it along to some corporate headquarters in LA.
Here's a link to an article explaining the unusual growth model the founders of my company chose to adopt instead of franchising, when franchising was what everybody else was doing at the time.
The Coolest Small Company in America | Inc.com

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Message 15 of 94 (145153)
09-27-2004 7:02 PM
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09-27-2004 10:54 AM


the idea that you get what you pay for is true - pay $15,000 in the states for a poorly qualified callcentre workers or $3000 for one with a masters in india.

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