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wj Inactive Member |
When can we expect this trolling smartarse to be ejected?
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Admacromouseus Guest |
Want me to do it?
Signed,I'm not a real administrator, but I sometimes play one on TV
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derwood Member (Idle past 1898 days) Posts: 1457 Joined: |
quote: Sounds like a good idea.
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Arachnid Inactive Member |
Since we are booting the mental midgets, can we kick John and Schraf to the curb too?
Schraf's militant feminism makes my homophobia act up...and John has the IQ of coolwhip. **oops, was that my outside voice?** [This message has been edited by Arachnid, 02-02-2003] [This message has been edited by Arachnid, 02-02-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Hey Arachnid, care to reply to my message #60 in the Faith and Belief forum, Define Faith topic? You made some accusations and I asked for clarification and examples. If you think I am a militant feminist, you must not talk to very many feminists. Now my husband; he's the militant feminist in our house.
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Philip Member (Idle past 4745 days) Posts: 656 From: Albertville, AL, USA Joined: |
'Haven't laughed so hard since Jim Carey's "The Mask" came in. This thread is ..er ..a ... SMOKIN!!
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Arachnid Inactive Member |
LOL...funny reply, Schraf.
Here's the problem as I see it: You seem to embody everything that is mainstream and hip to the current pop culture. Sexist: You diminish the roles of males in society and verbally crush anyone(male) who tries to rise above his lowly station. Society, as a whole has waged war against the male since as far back as I can remember(35 yrs) Examples: men rarely win custody battles, in domestic disputes it's the male who goes to jail, men disproportionately out number women in our country's judicial system...blah, blah...the point is that you and people like you are working to destroy the value of men in society. I'm not denying the woman's struggle for equality, but I believe it is better to rise up than to tear down men in your quest for equality. Anti-Christian: I don't know if this comes from a general dislike of anything authoritarian or the crystal-toting new age philosophy that includes your male hatred above... but you know absolutely nothing about the faith that you slander...no, really you know nothing about it...sure, I belive you've read some words in a bible or even attended sunday school for some period of time, but you are wrong to speak, as with authority, when you slander wholesome values based in Christianity or not. Anti-semite: your not especially twisted in this department..you just cling to common doctrines espoused by all the anti-semites. In and of themselves, your views mean very little (same as my views) but together they embody this MTV new age philosophy that all these "enlightened" automatons like to tout. It is unoriginal and indefensable and requires no imagination or true convictions...you have become exactly what the maintream media wants you to be. Now, I mean it when I say you are a smart girl(despite your ripe old age )but you should stretch out your brain and think for yourself instead of regurgitating yesterday's news. I only tell you this because you asked me to clarify. I didnt wish to tie up this forum with this discussion...if you want to have the last word, dump it on me in the Israel/Palestine forum. Peace. [This message has been edited by Arachnid, 02-02-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Than you kindly.
quote: See, that is strange, because I have held these basic views for about 20 years.
quote: I do? When did I do that? Was it when I talked of raising women's role in society? How does lifing up women automatically lower men? Strange either/or thinking there. If you mean I diminish the roles of men that have been overvalued compared to the undervalued roles of women, then yes, I challenge that notion. I believe that both genders have a great deal to offer, and no, I do not believe that men and women are exactly the same. But I do think that our similarities are great and our differences small. It is the systematic exclusion from certain activities based upon gender, and the systematic requirement to participate in certain activities based upon gender, that I oppose. There are very few jobs which require a person to have testicles, or have ovaries. That's all feminism really is.
quote: What lowly station is that? The lowly station of heading up nearly all of the highest business, academic, and governmental institutions in our country? Seriously, what lowly station are you talking about? Oh, and if my argument was flawed, I wouldn't be able to verbally crush anybody.
quote: You are right, and I think it is awful that this is the case. There is absolutely no reason women should be given preferential considerstion in custody; men are perfectly capable of being good single parents. However, it is also true that working mothers have had their children taken away from them because they worked outside the home, and it is also true that fathers do a great deal more abandoning of their children than mothers, and fathers fail to pay child support at an alarming rate, and only recently have either of these problems of irresponibility been addressed in any serious way by the courts. However, if you want to talk about "war" against a gender, perhaps you might like to think a bit about the history of how women have been treated, and continue to be treated, in this country. Rape and domestic violence are real, and not rare. Men kill their wives and girlfriends at a rate that far exceeds that of women killing their husbands and boyfriends. http://www.letswrap.com/dvinfo/stats.htm "Family violence kills as many women every 5 years as the total number of Americans who died in the Vietnam War" Statistics show that one in three college-age men would rape a woman if they knew they could get away with it. Page Not Found Imagine living in my world, as a woman, for a little while, and then you tell me who is at war with whom.
quote: Um, that's because men are a GREAT deal more likely to be physically violent, and because men are generally much more likely to come back and murder their wife or girlfriend. http://www.letswrap.com/dvinfo/myths.htm "according to the FBI, in over 95% of all domestic abuse violence, the man is the batterer. The injuries that battered women receive are at least as serious as 90% of all violent felony crimes, yet under state laws, domestic violence is almost always a misdemeanor."
quote: See above. Men, for whatever reason, tend to be more violent.
quote: Let's see. I talk about raising women's status, and this, by definition, "destroys the value of men?" Does this mean that the value of men is dependent upon women's status being lower, in your view?
quote: Again, please show me where I have done this "tearing down of men". I want examples. I don't think you have them. Most of my coworkers are men. Most of my friends are men. I have been married to a wonderful man for 10 years. I love men. I hate what our society has done to men. Some, like you seem to, think that for women to rise up, men must go down. This is not at all the case, although if they have been raised that there must be a leader and a follower, that there must be a winner and a loser, then the road to mutual respect will be a long one. I don't want totear down men, but I do want men, both individually and as a group, to come to terms and take responibility for their violence towards and discrimination against, women. The reason it's important for men, as a group, to do this, is because chances are, if you know a fair number of men, at least a couple of them have done some kind of physical abuse to a woman.
quote: Contentless personal attack, and strawman.
quote: I was raised a Catholic and attended 12 years of Chatechism. I lived in a Catholic household. I know a thing or two about living a religious life, because I used to be a believer. But all of that doesn't matter. One doesn't have to have been a member of a group to have valid criticisms of the practices of that group. If you have something specific to say which counters my criticisms of the Southern Baptist edict, or evidence which challenges my divorce statistics, or anything else specific, then bring it forward. If all you have is to declare that "I don't have the right" with no reasoning behind it, well, then it isn't much.
quote: I haven't seen much in the way of antisemitism on this board, although I have seen a bit of criticism of the secular government of Israel. Are you actually telling me that anyone who criticises the government of Israel is, by definition, an anti-semite? Well, that would make anyone who criticizes the government of England an anti-Church of England-ite, wouldn't it?
quote: However, you were wrong about my views, weren't you? You had a little box of preconceptions about me that you put me in when I started to speak of women's rights, instead of finding out for yourself what I actually think. We all do this from time to time, as it is in human nature to categorize. However, let this be a lesson that it is not always wise to do this with people.
quote: Oh, being a femminist requires quite a lot of conviction, considering that people like you fear people like me. Fear leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering. This is the path of the Dark Side. (Thanks, Master Yoda)
quote: Piss off, boy. I think very much for myself, thank you. I think it's pretty funny to tell a non-religious person that they don't think for themselves. I mean, depending upon how literally certain Christians take the Bible, there is little or no thinking or analysis or interpretation needed, right?
quote: Things are probably clearer for you now, but they aren't for me. I still do not have any specific examples of where I said what you say I did. [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 02-03-2003]
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
quote: In all, I don't know who thought what, but for the record, all the above messages credited to variations on the theme of moose were my creations. Just my little part in the effort to abuse the unregistered (or something like that). minnemooseus
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jdean33442 Inactive Member |
quote: Apparently you were called a troll on another forum and it worked to get rid of you. I don't blame you for using a proven technique to annoy me in hope I will go away. Perhaps some more whining to the admins will work? I do not normally post to either the Creation or Evolution forums due to my ignorance on both subjects. As I stated before, I normally just read and try to learn a thing or two. Allow me to explain something to you. I sit at a computer all day unless I must attend meetings. We all need breaks from the monotony of work and I use this forum to make the time go by faster. I never claimed to be committed to the cause. The board usually has a worthwhile read or at least an amusing post to distract me for a short period of time. You on the other hand, work at a deli all day where there are no computers. You jump in your little subaru, haul ass home to get on the internet as fast as possible so you can go to sites like this and post your murky views of feminism and flag burning. This is your escape from life whereas I am only trying to pass some time during my work day. I can understand why you get so mad. I am, afterall, intruding in the one thing you look forward to day after day. I don't mean to be the hurricane of your paradise. All apologies miss.
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jdean33442 Inactive Member |
quote: Which you have yet to accomplish.
quote: ??? Where the hell have you ever heard of a woman losing custody of their child based solely on the fact they work outside the home? Most men abandoned their children out of a hatred for the women who conceived them. Women can be quite nasty.
quote: Shouldn't the woman physique evolve into something which could protect her from such a predator? Men kill more because we are better at it. It's the emotion thing we discussed previously.
quote: The other two college-aged men are lying.
quote: Uhg. I don't think I could handle smelling like mustard and greasy deli meat every day. No thanks.
quote: This is a crap statistic. What man is going to call the cops and report he was battered by a woman?
quote: Men are more violent because of women. They drive us to it.
quote: Let's use your own quote to rub your nose in it, shall we?
quote: You don't just view women as being undervalued. You also think men are overvalued which proves you want to lower the evil penis race down a peg or two. Your jealousy is obvious and not worn well.
quote: No, you said that.
quote: Must you get spanked on this again?
quote: Men don't fear you and your closet feminist cohorts. Annoying yes. Fear no. Do you fear a jack russell terrier who is always yipping?
quote: See above and read slowly. It's ok to move your lips when you read. Do you have a mullet to match your feminist attitude? **Predicted Schraf response** Shraf: Personal attack. I will point you to the guidelines. I have notified the admins of your behavior!
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SLP x Guest |
Hi again guys,
I think my last thought was a random thought. After all, I myself am the product of an uncountable random aggregate of random mutations. Anyway, I take my last thought back until I can be sure what think is no longer random. In Deep Thought, Dr. Page/SLPx
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wj Inactive Member |
jdean is a troll, isn't he? A real human being couldn't really believe all that misogynistic diatribe and still remain outside a penal or mental institution.
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nator Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Wow, you have a really inflated sense of your own importance, don't you?
Oh, I've gotta tell you that your psychic abilities are not what you think they are. It's pretty funny that you would characterize me as the one getting mad when you are the one slinging mud and ranting nonsensically about that which you know nothing about. Thank you, though, for finally letting me know your real reason for following me around this site, troll. You are "entertained" by annoying me. Well, I'm sorry that you are the kind of icky wierdo that enjoys ranting and raving angrily at women on the 'net for "entertainment". Goodbye, sicko. PS I wonder if your bosses at Ditech.com know about how you spend company time, and what your attitudes about domestic violence are? Do you think either would be good for your potential for advancement? [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 02-04-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: He is certainly a troll, and I don't think he gets many dates.
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