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crashfrog
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Message 8 of 42 (41203)
05-24-2003 4:14 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by amai
05-24-2003 4:07 AM


Why do all these Christians who live in a democratic country percieve no problem at all with God coming down and eliminating two hundred years of steady political progress with a wave of his hand? We've been without kings for a while now (in any effective sense), and honestly, I don't want any more. The idea of a ruling monarch is simply old-fashioned. Jesus should get with the times and run for office like anybody else if he wants to be in charge so bad.
I'd need to see some qualifications for putting Jesus in charge. If his dad's been running the world these past thousands of years then I hope hands-off management doesn't run in the family. Heck I'd vote for the other guy simply based on how much god has let things go to seed.

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crashfrog
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Message 22 of 42 (42256)
06-06-2003 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by truthlover
06-06-2003 3:57 PM


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One of our favorite movies is The 13th Warrior.
But that's such a crappy movie!
You probably like Lord of the Rings, though? (I know I did.)
You'd really like the Seamus Heaney translation of Beowulf. I reccomend you pick it up. I found it lyrical, epic, and moving - generally translated epics bore me to tears.

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crashfrog
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Message 25 of 42 (42353)
06-08-2003 2:07 AM
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06-08-2003 1:35 AM


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So the drastic changes in The Two Towers were pretty rough for me to handle. Otherwise, yes, I liked the movie. I loved the books.
I too loved the books. Honestly, though, I think a lot of the changes in the movie so far have made it a better story. Fantasy literature was a nascent genre when Tolkien was writing (he more or less invented the genre, in fact); I think a lot of the changes for the movies represent positive developments in the genre that didn't exist at the time of writing.
At this point I'll take the movies over the book. They take a lot less time to finish. (A nearly heretical thing for a book-lover to say, but...)
The Seamus Heaney translation of Beowulf will have to wait, I think, until I hunt down that Godel book you also recommended. I'll probably have to order it from amazon.com, as our local (80 miles away) Barnes & Nobles didn't have it.
Sorry to heap books onto your reading list. If it's anything like mine it stretches to the end of linear time... Well, happy hunting, anyway.

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crashfrog
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Message 27 of 42 (42362)
06-08-2003 2:07 PM
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06-08-2003 12:48 PM


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Now look what you've done! Do you realize how off topic this is! I'm certain this is your fault.
Sorry about that. Why don't we move this to a new thread, probably in the coffeehouse forum?

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crashfrog
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Message 32 of 42 (44424)
06-27-2003 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Autocatalysis
06-27-2003 12:44 AM


What proportion of the population vote in the US ? I am not sure that you should call the US a democracy. In Australia over 98% of the population vote! It should be 100% otherwise its not a democracy.
Would you say that 98% of Australians take the requisite interest in politics and research the position and history of each candidate? Because that's what it takes to vote responsibly. Somehow I doubt 98% of Australians really do all that work. But, I could be wrong.
I'd rather that people who couldn't be bothered to learn about the issues and history simply didn't bother to vote. An uninformed vote is worthless - or worse, is harmful, because it offsets the vote of an intelligent, informed voter.

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crashfrog
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Message 37 of 42 (44862)
07-02-2003 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Wounded King
06-27-2003 6:36 AM


Who would you suggest administered the examinations to see if someone was eligible to vote? The government?
That's not what I propose. What I propose is an ad campaign reminding people that if they don't know anything about the issues, they're just voting for a face. So they should either get informed or not bother.
Honestly I don't think there needs to be a test involved, or anything like that. I'm just saying that really high voter turn-out may not be a universally good thing.
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crashfrog
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Message 38 of 42 (44863)
07-02-2003 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by contracycle
06-27-2003 8:11 AM


I don't accept he legitimacy of any government or state.
You may not be aware that anarchy is the least stable of governments - it falls apart at a touch. All it takes is one person with some money or a big stick and your anarchy is over.
If nobody votes, then the one guy who decides to vote has all the power. Then we're no better than a monarchy.
It's called participatory government for a reason. I'm not sure you should vote, but that's no reason to try to get others not to do so.

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