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Hey, here's an image that I found on an evolutionary website. ;-) Really is funny.[This message has been edited by thousands_not_billions, 01-17-2003]

Did you notice? The site was called No Answers in Genesis!!

You can get Darwin fish for cars. I want one, but after reading stories about them being forcefully ripped off cars by creationists, I may give it a miss.

Yea, I noticed. I also noticed that the site devotes itself to false attacks on Creation.

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Yea, I noticed. I also noticed that the site devotes itself to false attacks on Creation.

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False attacks? I thought they attacked creationism for real!Don't worry, though. I attacked a Muslim creationist once and he called me 'misguided'. He thinks he's holier than me.

Just so we understand each other...the Christian 'fish' symbol is from the Greek 'icthus' (fish) whose letters form the acronym of 'Jesus Christ, Son of God' in Greek. The fish was a symbol that allowed first-century Christians, under the brutal persecution of the Roman government, to recognize each other in relative secret.The Darwin fish symbol mocks the icthus. In doing so, it mocks Christ. It also mocks the deeply-held beliefs of millions of people who bear you no ill will. Finally, it mocks the suffering and death of thousands of first-century Christians and the brutal persecution that millions of Christians under repressive Communist and Islamic regimes face today.I suppose that whoever designed the Darwin fish symbol did not mean this, but was instead an ignoramus who thought the icthus symbol had something to do with young earth creationism, of which many Christians are not proponents. But it is sad that otherwise decent people propagate such pathetic ignorance, bad taste, and bigotry.[This message has been edited by zipzip, 01-18-2003]

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Just so we understand each other...the Christian 'fish' symbol is from the Greek 'icthus' (fish) whose letters form the acronym of 'Jesus Christ, Son of God' in Greek. The fish was a symbol that allowed first-century Christians, under the brutal persecution of the Roman government, to recognize each other in relative secret.

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The Darwin fish symbol mocks the icthus. In doing so, it mocks Christ. It also mocks the deeply-held beliefs of millions of people who bear you no ill will. Finally, it mocks the suffering and death of thousands of first-century Christians and the brutal persecution that millions of Christians under repressive Communist and Islamic regimes face today.

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I suppose that whoever designed the Darwin fish symbol did not mean this, but was instead an ignoramus who thought the icthus symbol had something to do with young earth creationism, of which many Christians are not proponents. But it is sad that otherwise decent people propagate such pathetic ignorance, bad taste, and bigotry.

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The Darwin fish symbol mocks the icthus. In doing so, it mocks Christ. It also mocks the deeply-held beliefs of millions of people who bear you no ill will. Finally, it mocks the suffering and death of thousands of first-century Christians and the brutal persecution that millions of Christians under repressive Communist and Islamic regimes face today.

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zipzip,I appreciate the tone of your post, but I'm not sure that your conclusions necessarily follow from your observation. Case in point, a person may mock a commercialized symbol of "christianity," regardless of its historical roots, without mocking Christ. The derision, if there is any, is more likely directed at the so-called born-again, right wing evengalists who so often display these fish symbols, not at Christ.It is roughly akin to dissagreement over scripture meaning. Sooner or later someone on the far right will say something like, "Well, you're questioning God," whan in fact what is being questioned in another human being's understanding of God.It should be remembered that many in the non-believing community feel a constant pressure from the "church" community, socially, politically, etc. These people are pretty regularly being attacked by the Moral Majorities of the world, conservative evangelicals or any number of people running for political office.A mocking response to a debunked and silly application of scripture is not really suprising. If we present ourselves in a ridiculous way, we ought not be suprised if we are held up to ridicule.-Shiloh[This message has been edited by shilohproject, 01-18-2003]

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Hi Funky, long time no talk,Is it possible that you missed my point? I am in no way saying that mankind doesn't stand in need of redemption, salvation, being born again, or what ever name you might call it.I'm refering to the "so-called born-again" (see my post) who feel they have the right to tell everyone else what to think/believe, etc.Claiming to be an alligator does not necessarily make it so.Show me the fruit and I can maybe tell you what tree it came from.John 13.34,35-Shiloh

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John, fish have been around for a long time and have obviously been used as symbols by animistic pagan cultures, just like any other type of animal. My point is that the stylized Christian fish, which indisputably represented Christ and was used by early Christians because of its symbolic acronym, is the symbol that is mocked. No Christian, early or otherwise, saw the fish symbol as a representation of the genitals of the Earth mother (or whatever [sheesh, rolling my eyes]). That is just *crap* (this needs to resound, so imagine Mike Myers in Scottish brogue through a PA system). And no Darwin-fish-symbol-wearing pseudointellectual out there has a beef with the Earth mother's genitals -- the fish symbolizes Christ to them as well.The same goes for the cross, which was a symbol that Christians appropriated from the Romans, who saw in it only shame and despair. The *new* symbolism supplanted the old. There are many other examples -- Christmas and All-Hallows Eve chosen to supplant old pagan holidays with new symbolism. The dates were the same, but worshipping Christ instead of worshipping the created order were clearly different.

So you believe these attacks to be true?