Misc. side comments to things in other topics

Thanks Moose. I don't know how a debate will solve anything. I just don't like the idea of no place to go where little moderation is applied. I don't see the moderators giving up that much control of thought here, regardless of how a debate would come out, especially with Percy owning it. Regardless, one reason I like it here and would like to stay, is that when we make our statement, there's no want of response by intelligent folks, whether it be hostile or not. At least that's pretty much been the way with threads I've been involved with.

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Personally, I enjoy the liberty to use a wider perspective on topics than is allowed on moderated threads, where you get the feeling of restriction by someone constantly looking over your shoulder and admonishing you.

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But Buz, the rules at this forum are designed to raise the quality of the debate.The rules are completely fair, and encourage good-faith, intelligent, informed. evidence-based discussion.So much of what one finds on internet boards is nothing but baseless opinions being shouted. Here, I learn a great deal because the discuissions are required to be based upon facts, research, etc.By saying that you like the "freedom" of not following the rules, that simply seems like code for, "I want to be able to say the first thing that comes to me that sounds good and not have to be sure what I'm saying is based upon any facts."

I don't know what your experiences are on other forums but another advantage of this place is that the moderators don't typically delete the posts even if they are posts that result in someones suspension or banning.

This is probably worth clarifying. Peter Borger was suspended for refusing to follow moderator requests, most importantly among them to limit discussion of GUToB to the thread designated for that purpose. He instead continued to introduce GUToB into other threads, thereby diverting them the original topic and turning these threads into additional GUToB discussions. I have likened this in the past to being the same as if I marched into discussions about Jesus and repeated my belief that Jesus did not live in the 1st century, if at all. It would immediately divert discussion onto my favorite topic.Peter Borger is free to return at any time he agrees to abide by the forum guidelines. Jet was just readmitted today.Syamsu was requested to move to the Free For All Forum for reasons very similar to Peter Borger. He has a perspective that he will introduce into any thread in which he participates.Buzsaw's restriction to Free For All is for somewhat different reasons. Well-mannered, intelligent and sincere, Buzsaw doesn't really belong here. If Buzsaw will meet me halfway by agreeing to make a greater effort to follow those administrative requests that he strongly feels are wrong and/or discriminatory, then I think it would be fine to lift the restriction. Buzz?------------------

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Whatever happened to nos482?

Nos482 hasn't been seen in these parts for many a day. His email is public in his profile - you should send him a note and tell him that though he is gone he is not forgotten. ------------------

--	Percy
	EvC Forum Administrator

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Buzsaw's restriction to Free For All is for somewhat different reasons. Well-mannered, intelligent and sincere, Buzsaw doesn't really belong here. If Buzsaw will meet me halfway by agreeing to make a greater effort to follow those administrative requests that he strongly feels are wrong and/or discriminatory, then I think it would be fine to lift the restriction. Buzz?

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Upstring I broached the idea of a one-on-one discussion (not really a debate) with Buz, about what he finds objectionable about the moderation procedures here. I still think it might make a good topic. I guess I could do the discussion as Adminnemooseus, but I think I'd prefer to do it as minnemooseus.I think such a thing could be enlightining, about why things are done around here. Some moderation methodology improvements might also come out of it.My "special" moderator suggestion would be holmes.Cheers,
AMps by edit: By the way, how does the "Activity Meter" work? I seems to me, that it would be nice if it indicated the number of new messages in the most recent 24 hours (or perhaps 48 hours). It seems that it will loose it's value, if it just tallies the total messages since the meter was installed.[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 08-25-2003]

Actually I asked because I thought he had been banned which would mean an update to the list of suspensions you have been posting..but I was mistaken...maybe he found Wordswordman somewhere else on the net to fight with

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Buzsaw's restriction to Free For All is for somewhat different reasons. Well-mannered, intelligent and sincere, Buzsaw doesn't really belong here. If Buzsaw will meet me halfway by agreeing to make a greater effort to follow those administrative requests that he strongly feels are wrong and/or discriminatory, then I think it would be fine to lift the restriction. Buzz?

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I neglected to say this, in my previous message - I fully agree with the above. Buzsaw may even be that ever elusive creation side moderator that we have so much trouble finding. Also, that would be a "If you think doing a good and fair job of moderating this forum is so easy, why don't you try helping out".Adminnemooseusps: My inbound e-mail service has been down for a number of days now, presumably because of the virus problem. I've sent Admin a couple of e-mails, and can only assume that they got out. Anyhow, my apologies to anyone who may be trying to contact me by e-mail.------------------
Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to
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;o)------------------ 'cause I'll tell ya what, if I get all the way up there and there is a god or a devil....I'm gonna be frickin' pissed!!

Some more miscellaneous side comments:To all you administrators: I might offer to be a creationist moderator. First I'd have to know how much time it'd take. I'll be doing a lot of study next year. What think you?To buzsaw: Comrade, which rules are the ones you believe to be inappropriate?To minnemooseus: I'm curious; what does WWWD stand for?To Mammuthus: Ich sehe dass Sie aus Muenchen kommen. Ich habe ein bisschen Uebung in Deutsch immer gern. Wenn ich annehmen kann, dass Sie ein Deutscher sind, sprechen alle da Englisch so ausgezeichnet?

Hi defender,
Ich bin Amerikaner..aber meine Frau kommt aus Mnchen und wir wohnen in Deutschland. Aber fast jeder Deutscher kann gut Englisch sprechen.
Nach 4 jahre finde ich Deutsch immer noch wirklich schwerig tschuss
M

Fast jeder Deutscher kann gutes Englisch sprechen? Das ist ja traurig... ich wollte Uebung wenn ich nach Deutschland fahren. Natuerlich habe ich gehoert, dass Englisch bei den Schulen gelernt ist.
Ich bin ein Neuseelander und habe hier durch fast mein ganzes Leben gewohnt. Ich studiere Deutsch erst vor sieben Monaten... deshalb erzaehlen Sie doch mich, wenn Sie etwas nicht recht sehen.
Sie haben schnell antwortet!

You know, Mammuthus, this just confirms all of Syamsu's suspicions about evolutionists. Why don't you take off the Konrad Lorenz t-shirt and put the bayonet down?------------------
I would not let the chickens cross the antidote road because I was already hospitlized for trying to say this!-Brad McFall