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Author Topic:   The Anthropic Principal - Cosmology
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Message 7 of 69 (389621)
03-14-2007 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by bebotx1
03-14-2007 8:44 AM


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Two main explanations have been offered for our planet’s peculiar friendliness to life ... the anthropic approach ... and God as designer.

Two main explanations have been offered for life's peculiar friendliness for our planet ... the scientific \ abiogenesis \ evolution approach ... and God as designer.

I don't think "god-did-it" explains anything. It's just an argument from incredulity and ignorance and has no predictive ability or benefit. Science on the other hand produces results that are usable.

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Message 12 of 69 (389700)
03-14-2007 10:44 PM
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03-14-2007 9:41 PM


Re: The Third Explanation
The problem is the if life did indeed evolve from some system of self replicating molecules that got together 3.5 billion years ago that they would necessarily be fully adapted to the conditions found on this planet.

No amount of incredulity can contradict that simple fact.

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Message 52 of 69 (389828)
03-15-2007 5:46 PM
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03-15-2007 8:55 AM


Re: God-did-it doesn't help
Positing the existence of a God doesn't actually help the matter one bit. Now you have to explain why the creator happened to choose to make a universe for this kind of life over any other feasible life (or other feasible state of the universe, life or not, that would please God).

It actually makes the whole question worse: what is the rest of the universe for and why is it so apparently neglected.

... to explain the extraordinary coincidence that God happens to like universes like ours.

And why the peculiar fondness (not just for beetles) for this particular planet - what's so special\necessary about this one out of all the gazillions?

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Message 55 of 69 (389833)
03-15-2007 6:05 PM
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03-15-2007 11:00 AM


Re: God-did-it - the extravagant waste
But at LEAST it would be an *explanation*. Where as this AP thing just plain isn't.

What you are failing to see and failing to deal with is the fact that regardless of the start of life - whether by accident or design - that once life was existing on this planet that it would become better and better adapted to this planet. By the time intelligence could evolve to the point that it could consider the question it would be very well adapted.

As suggested in Message 7 and Message 12 this "AP thing" is looking at the wrong end of the situation. Life adapts to environment. If you do not understand this then you do not understand evolution.

If the environment were not able to support life as we know it then it would not have evolved. This explains the lack of life on other planets. The God-did-it "*explanation*" doesn't explain that and leaves open the whole question of why NOT life on the other planets.

The God-did-it "*explanation*" is okay for ONE planet, and it 'worked' when that was all that was known in the cosmology of the times. We now know there are not only other planets in this system but planets around other stars. The God-did-it "*explanation*" FAILS to explain the apparent absence of other life on equally designed and created planets. Seems like a waste eh? A rather extravagant waste.

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Message 62 of 69 (389850)
03-15-2007 7:31 PM
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03-15-2007 6:27 PM


Re: God-did-it - the extravagant waste
yea, i guess I was just on about the AP thing.

But do you realize that your rejecting the "AP thing" has (a) no bearing on whether it is true or not and (b) does not mean that god-did-it is a logical answer.

The design type explanation could take a lot of forms I guess.

Including that the universe was created:

(1) 13.7+ billion years ago in such a way that the solar system formed 4.5+ billion years ago in such a way that life began here 3.7+ billion years ago and has evolved to it's current condition through evoltuions natural process.

OR

(2) last Thursday complete as we know it, including all our memories etc.

And that with no way to distinguish (1) from (2) or any position in between, the concept that 'god-did-it' is NOT testable or falsifiable, or that it can provide any real insight into how the universe functions.

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