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Check your history book, dude. That's not how it happened at all. Galileo actually asked the church if he could publish a comparison of the geocentric and heliocentric models, and the church said "we don't care." And then he did, and they said "sorry, you have to be arrested now."The church had nothing to do with the publishing of the book beyond arresting him after he had published it. I realize the facts are all but irrelevant to you, but there they are.If the church was so anxious to spread knowledge, why did they execute the first guy to print an English-language New Testament? That hardly sounds pro-knowledge to me. Sounds like they didn't even want people to know about religion.

And "what is" is Jesus !Now, if you believe it is Odin, then STATE YOUR PROOF ! Is it a statement of faith? If so...then fine...If evidence is the ONLY measure of existance THEN you are looking RIGHT AT IT !HE {Jesus} is RIGHT THERE !Wise

The proof is your two pictures. The picture of the head is clearly caucasian. Jesus wasn't caucasian, but Odin is. Jesus wasn't missing an eye, but Odin is. The proof is that it matches the description of Odin, and not Jesus. This isn't hard to understand, and it doesn't take faith. No, that's Odin. Odin's the only god that's missing an eye.Is your God missing an eye? The Bible doesn't say so. So we can assume your God isn't missing an eye. Odin is missing an eye. What do we have? A picture of a caucasian god, and an eye missing it's socket. Clearly describing Odin.

That's NOT what I READ !In 1616 the Pope told him he was NOT TO , hold, teach or defend the New Solar Theory. For 16 years he PEACABLY did not write anything to offend the authorities but then all of a sudden..BINGO !Out popped a book in 1632 with contents in DIRECT contradiction to the edict.So, IN AFFECT the Church actually PROMOTED Science by RESTRICTING it.It had a reverse affect!Knowledge WAS INCREASED not DECREASED through the actions of the Church !T-H-I-N-K,and it will SINK in ! Actually you should be HAPPY about that.Wise--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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MOST VIEWERS SAW JESUSNOT ODIN !!Wise

If Galileo published his book because they told him not to, why would he wait 16 years? Anyway, Galileo wasn't a rebel from the church. By all accounts - including letters from his own daughter - he was a very pious and churchly man. If they church had told him not to do something, he wouldn't have done it. That's why he asked the church for permission to publish a comparison of the theories, which he did. Imagine his surprise when the new pope said "Sorry, dude, we were wrong. You can't do that, so now we have to arrest you."That doesn't sound like the church spreading knowledge. That sounds like knowledge spreading in spite of the church, not because of it. If the church hadn't been opposed, maybe it would have come out 16 years earlier. To try and say that the church's actions spread knowledge that wouldn't have been spread otherwise is simply ludicrous. Actually, even as an atheist, I would have supported a Bible in the common language. That way, the people would be able to see through the outrageous crimes being perpretrated by the Church, who lied and said that they bible supported their misdeeds.A bible for the common people means that the church is transparent, like a democratic government. That way it ensures honesty.

Most people are Muslims, not Chrisitans. I assume that means you'll switch to worshipping Allah, now?We Odinites are an elect few, anyway. If Odin is merciful, maybe he'll let you worship him, too.(This reminds me - has anybody read American Gods? Was that a great book, or what?)[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 09-16-2003]

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That's NOT what I READ !

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In 1616 the Pope told him he was NOT TO , hold, teach or defend the New Solar Theory. For 16 years he PEACABLY did not write anything to offend the authorities but then all of a sudden..

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BINGO !

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Out popped a book in 1632 with contents in DIRECT contradiction to the edict.

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So, IN AFFECT the Church actually PROMOTED Science by RESTRICTING it.

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It had a reverse affect!

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To interject a bit:The reason Galileo published his work in 1632 is because this is when The Academy of the Lynx's (Galileo being a member) were becoming more and more confident in their freedom from papal restrictions.The pope who issued the dict in 1616 was replaced in 1623 by pope Urban VIII, who before was a friend and supporter of Galileo, and probably was still so to a lesser extent. The popes nephew was actually in the Academy. Stelluti (another member), had recently drew the first depiction of bees under a microscope and dedicated it to the pope, who greatly enjoyed it. The Academy was becoming more and more confident, and Galileo thought that if he wrote his peice as a dialogue the pope wouldn't prosecute him. Apparently he was wrong!So the church's restrictions didn't prompt Galileo to rebel and write his piece. He wrote it because he thought the restrictions had become relaxed for his group. Then the church came and put him under house arrest for the rest of his life. THAT'S WHAT I CALL NOURISHING SCIENTIFIC THOUGHT!Also, after reading this thread for quite a while I think I've figured out who Wise is. It is none other than the one we call Brian. He's systematically setting up weak illogical positions for his alter ego, Wise, and then destroying them. Interesting nonetheless.JustinC

[totally off thread]Yes it was a great book, but then Neil Gaiman is a great guy[/totally off thread]

I rather doubt it. From what I've read Brian is a decent guy, and not at all likely to trouble us with these shenanigans. Plus he knows it's ban-worthy to be caught posting under multiple usernames, and I can't imagine he would give Percy a headache just for a joke.

HI Crash LOL,Thanks for your support!You are correct of course, I really do not have the time or the inclination to have a carry on like that!Also, I don't think that Percy would be chuffed at one of his Moderators wasting people's time!Goodness only knows where I would get the time from to find as much garbage as Wise has found!Brian.

No, upon reflection, it's Mohammed in the nebula, you're going to hell.

Wise I am certainly not most viewers then since I see no diety but rather the face of a cow.Notice the shadow in the bottom of the circle.These appear to me to be nostrils and in the top of the circle there appears to be a horn.to the left side an ear pulled back and towards the center you can almost make out an eye.
It may be my farm upbringing but I see a cow.Perhaps we see things that really are not there? After all the idea of a cow in space is ludicrous.LOL!

Come on...it is clearly the Great Four Assed Monkey (GFAM) that is the lord of the universe and occassional guest on South Park...though all four asses are not visible, they must be there because the GFAM is clearly visible in the nebula...case closed...logic prevails Is this thread for real or a staged event like MTVs Punk'd?

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The discovery of these ossuaries really means very little.

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Exactly.

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Why?

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Like I said, it is very poor scholarship. The conclusions do not follow from the evidence.

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Because the Gospel of Matthew reports that the Chief Priests, upon discovering that the body of Jesus was missing devised a plan.

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PAYOLA !

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They PAID the guards to say that the disciples came by night and STOLE the body !
And the story became WIDELY circulated !

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