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doctrbill
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Message 39 of 91 (21811)
11-07-2002 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Tokyojim
11-04-2002 11:30 AM


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Originally posted by tokyojim: Francis Bacon ... said "There are two books laid before us to study, to prevent our falling into error; first, the volume of the Scriptures, which reveal the will of God; then the volume of the Creatures, which express His power." Scripture is first, but the volume of the Creatures is also there for our benefit. Modern man has thrown out the first book and henceforth has made amny wrong interpretations of the second book.
Francis had it wrong.
Nature came first, and is not a book.
The Bible came Much Much later, was written by Jews, and is hotly contested vis a vis its meaning.
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tokyojim - Just imagine how much better off the world would be if we all followed just the last 6 commandments of Moses' 10 commandments!!
Why just the last 6 TJ? Why not the whole maryanne?
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TJ - ... the Bible presents us with a comprehensive worldview ... when it touches on science it is accurate.
Have you actually read the first chapter of Genesis? Do you really know what it says?
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TJ - It [the Bible] claims to be true. It claims to be the Word of God.
Please cite chapter and verse to support this assertion.
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TJ - God is the only one who knows how the world really did come into existence.
The author of Genesis certainly didn't know.
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TJ - He is the only eyewitness, and the Bible gives us the account of the only eyewitness.
Please demonstrate how you arrive at this conclusion, and please do so without rewriting the narrative.
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TJ - Scientists these days start off by eliminating God from the picture in the very beginning and then try and explain the world.
Which scientists? You wax eloquent but multiply tenuous assertions.
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TJ - No wonder they struggle so much!! Their presuppositions are wrong.
I always presupposed that God created the universe, so how did I become persuaded otherwise? Have you the slightest clue?
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TJ - ANd it is not going to get any better for members of the First Church of Evolution.
Ok. I get it. You are spinning a fantasy. Well, that's ok, but we are not the choir. Some of us would like to hear that legendary RCC intellect at work here. I know priests in good and regular standing who teach evolution in Catholic Schools.
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TJ - ... the problem of finding a strong philosophical institution to improve things is not so simple ... And the Church can never fill that role unless people recognize the Bible as true. Otherwise, why believe and follow what the Church says? Who cares?
People follow what rings true for them. Church doctrine still rings true for many people. Mostly the poor and ignorant in third-world countries.
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TJ - There is no such thing as true sin since there is no god and then it follows that there is no judgment for "sin" or accountability for how I lived ...
Have you no faith in humanity? You will live your life within the prescribed bounds of the laws of your country, or you will verily be judged and held accountable.
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TJ - ... my life after death, so I am free. But that is a whole other issue.
No kidding! Another fantasy for our entertainment. Oh, yes, I love a scary story!
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TJ - Science too needs controls put on it or we're going to be growing humans to clone organs for ourselves in the not too distant future.
Nah. We'll just grow the organs.
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TJ - You can't relegate Christianity to the area of philosophy(meaning it is not really true in real life) and then expect people to really follow what it says in the moral area of life.
Philosophy is NOT TRUE in real life?
I believe you just shot yourself in the foot.
Nice homily you bring, but not much of an argument.
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