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Author Topic:   Idiocy of the most amusing kind.....
axial soliton
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Message 25 of 91 (16212)
08-29-2002 2:56 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Percy
07-14-2002 11:35 PM


How could 1 guy figure out so many ways to say the same thing about himself?
Even though it looks like Jet beat a hasty retreat, I just don't want his false bravado to go unrewarded. To wit:
quote:
"For the scientist who has lived by faith in the power of his reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a small band of theologians, who have been sitting there for centuries."
People having his world-view only recently stopped murdering and torturing scientists. Now that science has nearly escaped the oppression of religion, the only final rock is the one dreamed up by creationists.

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axial soliton
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Message 29 of 91 (16677)
09-05-2002 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Tokyojim
09-02-2002 2:46 AM


This is not difficult. Christianity suppressed science and oppressed scientists through the Dark Ages and for as long as it could control education and information. An example among many :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/319712.stm
Christianity wanted to be the institution to tell people how to live in the world around them and control what they did and how they did it. Control means power and money. Now, science is superbly providing information to people on how to live in the world around them and getting better at it all the time. And, science does not have the control and ego baggage.
Why does Christianity feel it necessary to compete with science on technology?
The bible is not a very good technology book. Why is Christianity even in the business of technology?
What we need is a strong philosophical institution to maintain and improve things like integrity, kindness, and morality. Maybe after the Church's present morality crisis, it can step up to that role. This is the point that needs to be stressed. Technology is not the same as philosophy. People need both.We need our religions to teach kindness.

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axial soliton
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Message 34 of 91 (16856)
09-07-2002 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Mammuthus
09-06-2002 5:16 AM


I see your point. It is my opinion that precepts like morality, integrity, kindness, etc., are an intellectual undertaking rather than a religious or scientific one. Each of us has to gain the insight that to build is good and to destroy is bad. Religions are, for practical purposes, universally bad at this. However, many people need some component to life that they see as in a "higher plane of existence" to remind them to be kind and moral every day. Some other people don't. Hope I am one of them. The reason to build rather than destroy is axiomatic. It is its own fundamental reason. Philosophy discussions would do just fine for the people who have the insight.
What about the people who need to be reminded every day? Perhaps religion has too much baggage to meed people's needs. How do we get to this next step?

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