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Author Topic:   What's the best strategy for defending evolution?
ReverendDG
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Message 3 of 131 (290249)
02-25-2006 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Aximili23
02-24-2006 10:23 PM


Like all the adminstrators say, attack the position not the debater, if the person comes from a position of religion you have to sometimes attack relgious ideas, but its preceved sometimes that the person is being attacked when they are not.
As for the whole evolution=atheism, it is purely untrue and subscribing to the idea that it is, would just make more and more people turn from science, thus making it harder for science to move forward. evolution isn't atheism, since it isn't religous in nature, how would we detect god? without that question answered theres no way to talk about it
attacking religion is bad if you do it for no reason, if you have to criticize religious belief it should have a context, such as people using the bible to prove their religious views
It doesn't help that people equate atheism with evil or ungodliness

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ReverendDG
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Message 7 of 131 (290259)
02-25-2006 4:26 AM
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02-25-2006 4:01 AM


I'm not sure that this is relevant. Atheist evolution defenders usually do attack the position, and yes in many cases religious ideas. But what I'm asking is whether or not these attacks on religious ideas, and particularly the idea of theism, is damaging to the cause of science education and acceptance.
only if the scientist feels the need to use the science wrong, ie: to say there is no god, then yes it would damage theists views of science. mostly for the fundi's who have a loud voice, if their message says science is anti-god from inference that no one talks about god that would damage it
No serious evolutionist is saying that evolution=atheism, this is an argument you usually hear from creationists. But this argument is perceived when famous evolution defenders such as Dawkins are also vocal atheists. It strengthens the impression that evolution is a necessarily atheistic belief, rather than a well-supported scientific theory.
people as liable to believe that if you do not talk about god you don't believe in it i guess
In a way, my question can be rephrased as, should people like Dawkins censor themselves, or their atheistic arguments, so that evolution can be more widely accepted by the public?
if his views boil down to saying there is no god and science shows it, then yes he should, since he is giving a false perception of scientists and science
People can criticize religious belief simply in the context of the broader culture wars. Some people perceive religion, or particularly fundamentalism, as an imposition of morals by one group on another, and on this basis alone I think it's perfectly appropriate to criticize certain religious views. With evolution as one of the many issues within the greater culture wars, and with atheists and church-state-separationists usually on the same side as evolutionists, the association between evolutionism and atheism can be created. Do you agree with this or not?
i would agree with this

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ReverendDG
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Message 48 of 131 (290696)
02-26-2006 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Quetzal
02-26-2006 5:32 PM


Re: Topic Drift Alert!!
thats why i've started thinking that rather than evolution being incompatible with religion, evolution is incompatible with a literal interpretation of genesis.
I think dawkin's needs to rein in on his zeal a bit, he is way over the top on his position, while he maybe have a right to some of it though.
I agree that no matter what people will believe what they want, i mean look at the shooting of jfk even after 40 years of people showing that he could be shot by one person there still are nuts that think there was someone on the grassy knoll
people will call the fact that we teach evolution in schools indoctoring, but the fact is, we have to teach evolution at that time or people will still grow up thinking the earth was created in six days by god and science that deals with origins is worthless
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