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Author Topic:   What's the best strategy for defending evolution?
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Message 4 of 131 (290252)
02-25-2006 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Aximili23
02-24-2006 10:23 PM


Re: What role should atheists play?
I prefer to not attack religious beliefs of others. However, I really doubt that it makes much difference one way or the other.

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Message 9 of 131 (290284)
02-25-2006 9:42 AM
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02-25-2006 4:02 AM


Re: What role should atheists play?
So you don't think that attacking religion is damaging to the popularization of evolution?
The preachers will manage to associate evolution with atheism, even without attacks against their religion.
Sure, the strident style of Dawkins and Dennett doesn't help. But their same strident style is there, even when they are not attacking religious beliefs.
It is my impression that YECs at least give some respect to atheists for their open atheism. They don't have much respect for "liberal theologians."

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Message 10 of 131 (290286)
02-25-2006 10:02 AM
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02-25-2006 5:01 AM


He argues that while yes, science is by definition neutral with respect to theism, the kind of critical thinking fostered by science is antithetical to religion:
It is to some extent. However, many scientists manage to remain Christians.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that upward of 60% of scientists are atheists
That sounds a bit high, compared to what I had heard.
The proportion of biologists who are atheists is significantly higher than the proportion of scientists who are atheists. Perhaps that 60% figure is the one for biologists.
Myers says (of Dennett):
While I disagree vigorously with many of his ideas about evolution, ...
I think that is more of a problem with Dennett than his comments about religion. The non-scientific public already has confused ideas about evolution, and IMO Dennett doesn't help.

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Message 73 of 131 (291171)
03-01-2006 9:16 AM
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03-01-2006 8:09 AM


Re: "Scientism" -as if that existed
One of the common creationist arguments against evolution is a semantic claim that it is religion. Creationists will say, "Evolutionists believe in evolution, while creationists believe in God." Or they'll say, "Evolutionists have faith in science, while creationists have faith in God."
Yes, such arguments are common.
But because one definition of belief and faith is being applied to evolution and science, while a different definition is being applied to religion, the argument contains a simple logical fallacy and so fails.
There, I disagree. The argument is not intended to be logic, and therefore cannot be a logical fallacy. The argument is intended to give highly gullible people an excuse to dismiss science and its evidence in favor of illogic and belief.
At that, it often succeeds.

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