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Author Topic:   What's the best strategy for defending evolution?
robinrohan
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Message 14 of 131 (290311)
02-25-2006 12:35 PM
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02-24-2006 10:23 PM


Re: What role should atheists play?
the false belief that evolution=atheism,
I don't think this is a false belief. It seems inevitable to me that evolution logically includes atheism.
ABE: so if you want evolution to be accepted generally, you better not mention this. Just call it a explanation of "population change"--make it sound innocuous.
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robinrohan
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Message 16 of 131 (290321)
02-25-2006 12:56 PM
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02-25-2006 12:54 PM


Re: What role should atheists play?
Are you an atheist, too?
Yes, but I prefer the term "nihilist."

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robinrohan
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Message 18 of 131 (290324)
02-25-2006 1:00 PM
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02-25-2006 12:57 PM


Re: What role should atheists play?
We are humans, full of deciet, full of pride, basically full of it,
Speak for yourself.
From a political point of view--from a strategic point of view--I would think you would want to downplay the implications of evolution.

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robinrohan
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Message 22 of 131 (290340)
02-25-2006 1:19 PM
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02-25-2006 1:14 PM


Re: What role should atheists play?
For one thing, we'll never be as good at lying as the creationists are. You can't lie for truth; you'll get caught every time
There's a difference between outright lying and just not mentioning something. You know, like Bill Clinton and Monica.

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robinrohan
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Message 26 of 131 (290353)
02-25-2006 1:27 PM
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02-25-2006 1:26 PM


Re: What role should atheists play?
Why would I want to downplay evolution rr?
Thinking through all the implications leads to atheism, materialism, etc. Most people don't like that.

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robinrohan
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Message 31 of 131 (290366)
02-25-2006 1:42 PM
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02-25-2006 1:36 PM


Re: What role should atheists play?
Being as I am atheist I cannot see how that would be a problem for me rr
This thread is about convincing most people, not someone like you, to accept evolution.
Actually, to be frank, I don't care if people accept evolution or not.
They might be better off not accepting it. It might get twisted around and perverted into another version of "social Darwinism." We don't want that.
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robinrohan
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Message 33 of 131 (290379)
02-25-2006 2:01 PM
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02-25-2006 1:55 PM


Re: What role should atheists play?
You need not accept evolutuion to answer the question.
Well, the answer to the question is yes, most definitely they hurt the cause in a political sense. It shows no political savvy at all. It would be like a Democrat trying to get Republican votes by saying, "All you ignorant redneck Republicans living out in the hills need to vote for me."
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robinrohan
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Message 37 of 131 (290556)
02-26-2006 9:57 AM
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02-26-2006 1:39 AM


Re: Is science antithetical to religion?
No, it would also mean that biomedical research would grind to a halt. Opportunities to improve health and save lives would be lost. Not to mention the catastrophic effect on industry and the environment if that kind of scientific ignorance were so widespread.
No such scenario need be envisioned. The few shall take care of the many, as they always have. As far as America "losing its lead," why should we be in the lead all the time? Let somebody else lead for awhile. We got plenty of weapons--that's the main thing--and mighty sophisticated weapons they are too. We're good at that.
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robinrohan
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Message 41 of 131 (290632)
02-26-2006 2:52 PM
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02-26-2006 2:40 PM


Re: Is science antithetical to religion?
The best folk to stand up and oppose the Biblical Creationist position are other Christians
These other Christians would need a case, however, and they have no case.

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robinrohan
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Message 43 of 131 (290635)
02-26-2006 3:12 PM
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02-26-2006 2:58 PM


Re: Is science antithetical to religion?
No case that Biblical Creationism is a joke?
Oh, there's a case for that all right. The only problem is you have to throw out the baby with the bathwater. There's no case for Christianity fitting in with evolution.
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robinrohan
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Message 46 of 131 (290663)
02-26-2006 5:27 PM
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02-26-2006 3:24 PM


Re: Is science antithetical to religion?
There's no case for science not fitting in with Christianity, to be frank.
I don't know about "science," but there is a case for evolution not fitting with Christianity. See the thread entitled "What we must accept if we accept evolution."
But to get back to the point of this thread, Christians who do not take their beliefs literally might very well accept evolution and promote it effectively. In that case, Christianity becomes a sentiment.
If that's your idea of Christianity, then it fits very well with evolution, since Christianity in that case is merely a positive feeling about life rather than a statement about the nature of reality.
this can be nothing more than a personal and subjective opinion.
If that's all it is, I see no reason why anyone should believe it. I suppose one might believe it on a whim.
ABE: Not all beliefs about the nature of life are subjective. Mine are not.
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