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Author Topic:   The Three Kinds of Creationists
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Message 14 of 432 (647889)
01-11-2012 5:46 PM
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01-11-2012 5:32 PM


Do you mean hydrogen carbonate?

Looks like hydrogen sulfate ions as well

see here

Edited by jar, : AbE add link


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Message 31 of 432 (657238)
03-26-2012 7:36 PM
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03-26-2012 5:41 PM


Re: Hey Creationists! Have your cake and eat it too
Adam and Eve have nothing to do with Genesis 1, a story that was written hundreds if not thousands of years after the Genesis 2&3 myth were written.

The earth is billions of years old, that is simply not open to discussion among any educated people.

But Adam and Eve never existed either and if they had, since Eve was a clone of Adam it should be Adam and Steve anyway.


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Message 79 of 432 (657468)
03-28-2012 6:00 PM
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Re: Agnostic
How can anything non-natural be studied?

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Message 85 of 432 (657475)
03-28-2012 6:40 PM
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03-28-2012 6:30 PM


Re: Agnostic
Not really.

What you would be studying is flying monks (or nuns).

To say that you are studying the supernatural is to place the conclusion before the investigation.


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Message 88 of 432 (657479)
03-28-2012 8:03 PM
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Re: Agnostic
Bullshit.

How do you study "supernatural?"


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Message 91 of 432 (657483)
03-28-2012 8:13 PM
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03-28-2012 8:08 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
Nonsense is seldom fast enough.

How do you study supernatural?


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Message 93 of 432 (657487)
03-28-2012 9:26 PM
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Re: Supernatural 101
Too funny.

What does supernatural look like?

How it supernatural different than "unknown"?

How do you see "supernatural?"


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Message 95 of 432 (657489)
03-28-2012 10:09 PM
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Re: Supernatural 101
Very funny.

Now maybe you can try to answer the question.


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Message 97 of 432 (657491)
03-28-2012 10:14 PM
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03-28-2012 10:10 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
Still no information in your post.

How do you know you have found something supernatural?


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Message 108 of 432 (657518)
03-29-2012 9:23 AM
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03-28-2012 11:41 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
Sorry but I see no indication of the super natural in that example, simply something yet unexplained.

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Message 109 of 432 (657521)
03-29-2012 9:29 AM
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03-29-2012 6:06 AM


Re: Supernatural 101
There was no answer, just word salad.

If you are saying that the way something is identified as supernatural is by someone claiming it is supernatural, then that is so open that it is meaningless, useless and worthless.


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Message 110 of 432 (657523)
03-29-2012 9:32 AM
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03-29-2012 6:31 AM


Re: Supernatural 101
But you still have not said anything about how you investigate or identify or determine if something is supernatural as opposed to just unknown.

Even if all of the things you list did exist, what makes them supernatural as opposed to being caused by some yet unknown natural cause?


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Message 112 of 432 (657527)
03-29-2012 9:51 AM
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Re: Supernatural 101
In which case we have never studied something that really is "supernatural".

The issue is "If there really was something that was supernatural, how could we study it?"

Remember, the given is that the thing really is supernatural and so our natural based tests would be ineffective.


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Message 114 of 432 (657532)
03-29-2012 10:15 AM
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Re: Supernatural 101
Again, what we can test is only the natural unless you can show me a method of testing the supernatural.

You can test the magical Leprechauns but I can see only two possible answers; "no, what is observed is natural" or "What is observed is unexplained".

I do not see and so far no one has presented any test where the conclusion might be "Yes, that is supernatural."


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Message 117 of 432 (657537)
03-29-2012 10:29 AM
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03-29-2012 10:16 AM


Re: Supernatural 101
But you still offer no information.

You can study something that someone claims is "supernatural" and it is possible that you might determine based on those tests that it is not "supernatural", you might even end up determining that you cannot explain the subject, but what tests would show that it really was supernatural?


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