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Author Topic:   The Three Kinds of Creationists
Buzsaw
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Message 102 of 432 (657502)
03-29-2012 7:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by MrHambre
01-26-2004 1:58 PM


The Three Four Kinds of Creationists
MrHambre writes:


Designation: No Frills Fundie ............
Designation: The Deep Thinker ...............,
Designation: Fundie 6.0 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Designation: The Free Thinking Literalist Biblical Evidence Producing Butt Kicking Buzsaw OEC Who Gives Science Doctorates Educated Into Illogical Abstract Theories A Run For The Money In Threads.

Edited by Buzsaw, : Complete Message


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 207 of 432 (657692)
03-29-2012 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Panda
03-29-2012 7:42 AM


Re: The Three Four Kinds of Creationists
Panda writes:

Buzsaw writes:

Designation: The Free Thinking Literalist Biblical Evidence Producing Butt Kicking Buzsaw OEC Who Gives Science Doctorates Educated Into Illogical Abstract Theories A Run For The Money In Threads.

We are not including imaginary types of creationists.
(If that kind of creationist existed then you wouldn't still be banned from the science forums.)

Only designations one, two and three allowed in science forums; you know, the YEC conventionalist ones who are easily rebutted.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 208 of 432 (657693)
03-29-2012 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Percy
03-29-2012 8:36 AM


Re: To PaulK
{Percy writes:

It's those who not only believe in a Higher Being but also claim to have proof of his existence that are thought to be playing with less than a full deck.

We evidence apprised ones know that hypotheses are generally
not proven by evidence. They are supported by evidence.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 214 of 432 (657720)
03-30-2012 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Panda
03-30-2012 5:14 AM


Re: The Three Four Kinds of Creationists
Panda writes:

Buzsaw writes:

Only designations one, two and three allowed in science forums; you know, the YEC conventionalist ones who are easily rebutted.


Wrong - as usual.
All types of creationist are allowed in the science forums.
You are not banned because of your beliefs: you are banned because of your stupidity.

Ok, Mr/Ms Panda, how about you do the EvC thing and cite three or four examples of Buzsaw stupidity in the Science Fora. You have 8+ years to cherry pick them from.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 215 of 432 (657721)
03-30-2012 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Chuck77
03-30-2012 4:31 AM


Re: Supernatural 101
Hi Chuck. What is the SN?

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Buzsaw
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Message 272 of 432 (657820)
03-31-2012 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by 1.61803
03-30-2012 10:26 AM


Re: Supernatural 101
1.61803 writes:

There is another theory that reality itself is nothing more than a 2D holograph

If existence itself is illusory then perhaps there is no such thing as supernatural. Perhaps its just a word we use when we do not know the answer.

quote:
Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart.

Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing.


This is a lot how the supernatural functions. Jehovah, supreme god of the Universe, is like a giant computer which has all of the data existing in the Universe at any given time and instantly as changes occur.

For example, according to the Biblical record, he knows all thoughts, words, and motives of every human at any given time. He knows when a sparrow falls, how many hairs on every human at any given time. He can instantly communicate with humans. humans can instantly communicate with him. I know.

I pray/talk to him daily and receive extremely remarkable answers to them. According to Jesus his son, our lord/master and savour, the only way we are worthy of communicating to Jehovah says if we draw near to him he draws near to us, etc.

He communicates back to humans via his holy spirit, the one and same spirit of Jesus, Jehovah and all spiritually born, i.e born from above humans.

All communication between Jehovah and humans is instantaneous and of course, the Bible states in several verses that Jehovah exists within our heavens, i.e. the cosmos of our Universe.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 328 of 432 (658335)
04-04-2012 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by PaulK
03-30-2012 1:15 PM


Re: Tempting Fate
PaulK writes:

Since this is in Free For All...

quote:

Ok, Mr/Ms Panda, how about you do the EvC thing and cite three or four examples of Buzsaw stupidity in the Science Fora. You have 8+ years to cherry pick them from.

One could say that tempting fate by issuing such an easily met challenge is itself stupid - there is something of an embarrassment of riches...

But here's a few examples from one thread and it's follow-on:

1) Citing a website devoted to penny stocks as an authority on hurricane frequency without doing adequate checks on the claims it made Message 256 In fact it turned out to rely on assuming that a list of selected major hurricanes was a complete list of major hurricanes making landfall in the U.S. Wrong! (It wasn't even restricted to hurricanes making landfall in the U.S.!)

2) Setting aside data from an authoritative source (NOAA) that contradicted the penny stock website by indicating that there were hurricanes not on the list used by webpennys Message 286 and again Message 17 and again Message 43

3) Falsely claiming that the NOAA list used as a basis for the webpennys article was "the only NOAA frequency trend chart available " when - as had already been shown - it was only an incomplete list of major hurricanes around the U.S. Message 44
Whether the stupidity is in ignoring the existence of the obviously better information that had already been offered, or in thinking that nobody would notice such an obvious falsehood is left to the readers...

And I can find plenty more....

So Paul, we now have a total of one message which you deem inaccurate in my eight year profile archive. You say there's plenty more..

Perhaps any given long time member would have a few questionable posts, particularly given the cited ones would likely involve some ideological bias. Perhaps even you might not have been 100% pristine in all of your 9434 messages archived. No?

You say there's "plenty more?" You and I came on in the same year, 2003. We both have about the same amount of messages archived. Do you think you can cite more of me than I might cite of yours, which we find problematic, factoring in our diverse views and ideologies regarding evidences and origins regarding observed phenomena etc?


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 331 of 432 (658340)
04-04-2012 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 329 by Percy
04-04-2012 8:16 AM


Re: Convincing Others
Percy writes:

The measure of one's ideas isn't how stubbornly one holds them, but how many they convince.

LoL. How many of you do you think I, being a relative loner here, could ever convince of anything, given the wide gap in our thinking and ideologies?

Then too, how many creationists do you think you could convince of things related to your mind-set if you were a loner on an evangelical Christian debate board?


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Buzsaw
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Message 357 of 432 (658442)
04-04-2012 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 343 by Percy
04-04-2012 1:29 PM


Re: Convincing Others
Percy writes:

Hi Buz,
What you originally said was this:

Buzsaw writes:

Designation: The Free Thinking Literalist Biblical Evidence Producing Butt Kicking Buzsaw OEC Who Gives Science Doctorates Educated Into Illogical Abstract Theories A Run For The Money In Threads.

And you've been arguing this point ever since. PaulK is wondering how you could believe this given all your errors, but there's little to be gained by raising this point unless it's for the benefit of the larger audience, because you're no more likely to recognize your errors now than you were when you first made them.

Out of 9000 posts over an eight year period, do you think that three or four cited by Paulk are enough for evaluation? Who on this board do you think are so pristine that they would not have as many or more questionable posts as me?

Percy writes:

That's why I commented that the measure of one's ideas isn't how stubbornly one holds them, but how many they convince. I think we're all kind of dumbfounded at how successful you think you've been here given that you've convinced no one, including creationists.

You have ignored my point that ideology factors in here. You didn't answer my question relative to a creationist site. I ask you again, do you think you would fare better than me as to how the membership of such a site would regard your posts?


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 379 of 432 (658536)
04-05-2012 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 360 by Percy
04-05-2012 8:31 AM


Re: Convincing Others
Percy writes:

So drop the ridiculous and wildly unjustifiable and conceited claims and just focus on the topic. Your ability to turn any thread into a discussion about you instead of the topic (this thread being yet another example) is why you're no longer allowed in the science forums.

Oh, so now participants can bloviate until the cows come home that all creationists are stupid but now here at FreeForAll you've taken it upon youself, member Percy, to restrict me from posting on topic reasons why I'm not stupid, citing ideological perceptions as to what constitutes stupidity.

Imo, some posts of Panda, Paul and you, et al are stupid for failing to recognize that ideology does factor in as to one's perspective of stupidity.

For example, Paul cites what he regards as one of my stupid messages in which I argued valid ressons why the Noaic flood would implicate a vastly different planet surface and atmosphere previous to the flood. That message of his would be regarded as stupid by all floodist proponents including some doctorate scientists.

You single me out, being the loner minority creationist willing to take the heat in these thread topics, demeaning to Biblical creationists, in another of your meanspirited personal attacks.

The reason this is a lot about me is that my unique hypotheses counter some of the lame brain conventionalist YEC ones that so many of you rightfully decry;

Some of you get your idiolological oxes gored by my stuff and the bully pulpit boss won't have that. NO-SIR-EEE! .


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 384 of 432 (658554)
04-06-2012 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 382 by Percy
04-06-2012 6:18 AM


Re: Convincing Others
Percy writes:

Hi Buz,
You turned this thread into a discussion about you when you posted this in Message 102:

Buzsaw in Message 102 writes:

MrHambre writes:
Designation: No Frills Fundie ............
Designation: The Deep Thinker ...............,
Designation: Fundie 6.0 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Designation: The Free Thinking Literalist Biblical Evidence Producing Butt Kicking Buzsaw OEC Who Gives Science Doctorates Educated Into Illogical Abstract Theories A Run For The Money In Threads.

If you want to show that I was wrong to say that you turn threads into discussions about you, start now by not responding to this post and instead addressing the thread's topic. If you'd like to propose a fourth category of creationist, don't use yourself as an example. In fact, remove the word "Buzsaw" from your vocabulary, because the thread isn't about you, and anyway it's an open invitation to ridicule whenever anyone refers to themselves in the third person.

Percy, take a good and thoughtful read of the topic title and of MrHambre's OP, Message 1.

This FreeForAll thread title implies that all creationists are essentially stupid.

Again, you choose to use your bully pulpit cite boss advantage to demean me and dictate what I must post in FreeForAll.

You continue to ignore my valid points as to why my messages are about me. It's because, as I have stated, that my unique hypotheses do not depict the conventional YEC ones and that my MO is not any more stupid (considering ideological perspectives) than that of you sheeple who's stupid Zero singularity alleged event had no space into which it could have happened, no time into which it could have happened and no outside of into which to expand.

Your stupid idiotic brainwashed ideology and arguments depict utter chaos gradually and consistently emerging into all of the immeasurably complex order and design which is observed on the planet, assuming a uniformity when in fact none of it was ever physically observed.

Your stupid ideology and that of conventional YEC creationists assumes a finite space and time Universe, when in fact the Buzsaw unbounded space and infinite time Universe best satisfies LoT One that no energy is lost or created etc.

Conventional YEC's stupidly argue for an eternal god existing and operating in a finite Universe.

My purpose here in this thread, implicating all creationists as stupid is to show that the unique Buzsaw hypotheses are a fourth catagory which is not stupid, and infact less stupid than some of conventional science's theories.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 397 of 432 (658894)
04-10-2012 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 391 by Adminnemooseus
04-09-2012 9:07 PM


Re: Reminder - This is a Free For All topic
Adminnemooseus writes:

This is a Free For All topic, filed under "Garbage Pile". You are posting messages in the "the admins pretty much don't give a damn" zone.

LoL, unless your Kickbutt Buzsaw, kicking member Percy et al's ideological butts.


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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 402 of 432 (658909)
04-10-2012 9:03 PM


Re: Strawman Posts
The last three post comments were nothing but strawman personal attacks.

My comment pertained to Adminnemooseus's right on statement implying that I should have not been moderated by Percy, essentially mandating in this garbage pail Freeforall forum that Buzsaw cease and desist making his claims relative to ideology, etc.

All member Percy posted was personal attacks, all the while ignoring my valid points as to why I posted what I did, He attempted to silence me, applying his member account, violating his own forum guidlines. Obviously that strategy was in lieu of refuting, which no one has yet done, including you three thread off topic trolls.

ABE: The last tree comments pertained to messages 398, 399 and 400.

Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 406 of 432 (658915)
04-10-2012 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 404 by hooah212002
04-10-2012 9:24 PM


Re: The Fool
Goes to show who's really making a fool of themselves.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 407 of 432 (658917)
04-10-2012 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 405 by jar
04-10-2012 9:26 PM


Re: The Knowledgeable Creationist
jar writes:

Except TrueCreation is no longer a Creationist and has not been since before Dr. Dino started getting free room and board.

Which goes to show that, though he was savvy to scientific rhetoric, he was not knowledgeable enough to cite the evidence for Biblical creationism, such as fulfilled Biblical prophecies nor correlate and corroborate historical and other data pertinent to Biblical apologetics.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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