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Author Topic:   The Three Kinds of Creationists
Panda
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Message 23 of 432 (657229)
03-26-2012 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by bridgebuilder
03-26-2012 6:32 PM


Re: Hey Creationists! Have your cake and eat it too
Subbie writes:

...
We don't know exactly how life came into existence.
...
I don't think anyone knows how it came to be.
...


bridgebuilder writes:

Some things remain unknown, beyond our scope of understanding. However, Creationists will be more accepting of this than the science community


Comprehension is not one of your strengths, is it?

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Message 30 of 432 (657237)
03-26-2012 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by subbie
03-26-2012 7:00 PM


Re: Hey Creationists! Have your cake and eat it too
subbie writes:

Well, in one sense, bb is accurate.


But in most other senses he is wrong.

subbie writes:

Creos are considerably more accepting of things they don't know, and quite willing to let those unknowns remain unknown, particularly when they might not like the answers.


But they do require that criteria.
Their acceptance of unknowns is intrinsically tied to (and limited by) their beliefs: it is dogma.

subbie writes:

Scientists, on the other hand, are willing to acknowledge what they don't know, but then set about finding out the answers.


True, scientists will want to 'fix' unknowns by finding the answers.
But they don't deny that they exist.

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Message 83 of 432 (657473)
03-28-2012 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by bridgebuilder
03-28-2012 4:56 PM


Don't reply
Following on from Catholic Scientist's comment: you don't need to reply to all comments - particularly if it is just a single sentence reply.

This post is a good example - all it really needs is an acknowledgement.
This acknowledgement can be made by simply clicking the sentence You have not yet responded and it will change to You have acknowledged this reply
This sentence will be at the bottom of my post.

Hopefully this is useful to you.


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Message 92 of 432 (657486)
03-28-2012 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by jar
03-28-2012 8:13 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
jar writes:

How do you study supernatural?


Initially, I expect we would use our eyes.

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Message 94 of 432 (657488)
03-28-2012 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by jar
03-28-2012 9:26 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
jar writes:

What does supernatural look like?


I would have to look at it to know.

jar writes:

How it supernatural different than "unknown"?


In the same way that anything identified is different to "unknown".

jar writes:

How do you see "supernatural?"


By pointing my face in the general direction of "supernatural" and keeping my eyelids open.

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Message 100 of 432 (657500)
03-29-2012 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by jar
03-28-2012 10:09 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
jar writes:

Very funny.

Now maybe you can try to answer the question.


Very funny.

Now maybe you can try to address the answer.


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Message 103 of 432 (657504)
03-29-2012 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Buzsaw
03-29-2012 7:15 AM


Re: The Three Four Kinds of Creationists
Buzsaw writes:

Designation: The Free Thinking Literalist Biblical Evidence Producing Butt Kicking Buzsaw OEC Who Gives Science Doctorates Educated Into Illogical Abstract Theories A Run For The Money In Threads.


We are not including imaginary types of creationists.
(If that kind of creationist existed then you wouldn't still be banned from the science forums.)

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


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Message 115 of 432 (657533)
03-29-2012 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by jar
03-29-2012 9:29 AM


Re: Supernatural 101
jar writes:

There was no answer, just word salad.


Your response is too funny.
No, really too funny.
Really, really, really funny.
Actually, no - it's bollocks.

jar writes:

If you are saying that the way something is identified as supernatural is by someone claiming it is supernatural, then that is so open that it is meaningless, useless and worthless.


I was not saying anything about the way something is identified as supernatural.
I was describing how we could study the supernatural.

Forgotten what you asked?

Is your memory going?

Forgotten what you asked?

Is your memory going?


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Message 125 of 432 (657547)
03-29-2012 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by jar
03-29-2012 10:29 AM


Re: Supernatural 101
jar writes:

But you still offer no information.


I supplied enough information to answer your question.
If you want a different answer then you need to ask a different question.

jar writes:

but what tests would show that it really was supernatural?


I don't know.
I would have to study it to find out.

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Message 128 of 432 (657551)
03-29-2012 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Straggler
03-29-2012 10:45 AM


Re: Supernatural 101
Straggler writes:

Because science can investigate anything which is real and detectable can't it?


No.
Jar is clearly stating that if a leprechaun was standing in front of us, then we would not be able to photograph, weigh, measure, x-ray ... or any of the other 1000's of scientific tests available.

Nope.
Makes no sense to me. *shrug*


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Message 148 of 432 (657582)
03-29-2012 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Straggler
03-29-2012 12:09 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
Do forget: jar thinks that 'study', 'identify' and 'explain' are all synonyms.
This will make any discussion an up-hill struggle through jar's equivocation.

Good luck with that.


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Message 204 of 432 (657687)
03-29-2012 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by Sid Williams
03-29-2012 9:24 PM


Re: 4th Kind of Creationist/
Great.
Another nutter that has replaced their ability to write with the ability to make up complete shite.

Sheesh. You can't even count to 6.
"1...2...A...5...6"

Sid Williams writes:

God has always sent knowledge to Atheists


Well, he definitely didn't send any to you.

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Message 205 of 432 (657689)
03-29-2012 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by subbie
03-29-2012 9:33 PM


Re: 4th Kind of Creationist/
subbie writes:

You seem to be a typical bible-quoting creo.


I am not convinced he is 'typical' (although he is far from being unique).

The weirdly formatted semi-biblical illiterate nonsense reminds me of CrazyDiamond7's posts.
They appear to be obsessed with brackets.
e.g. "This is the history of the heavens [always plural because of day (sun) and night (moon)]"

I think I would categorise them as 'not on this planet' - only a couple of steps away from being sectioned like Dennis Markuze.

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


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Message 211 of 432 (657707)
03-30-2012 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by Buzsaw
03-29-2012 10:42 PM


Re: The Three Four Kinds of Creationists
Buzsaw writes:

Only designations one, two and three allowed in science forums; you know, the YEC conventionalist ones who are easily rebutted.


Wrong - as usual.
All types of creationist are allowed in the science forums.

You are not banned because of your beliefs: you are banned because of your stupidity.


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Message 217 of 432 (657724)
03-30-2012 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Buzsaw
03-30-2012 8:08 AM


Re: The Three Four Kinds of Creationists
Buzsaw writes:

Ok, Mr/Ms Panda, how about you do the EvC thing and cite three or four examples of Buzsaw stupidity in the Science Fora. You have 8+ years to cherry pick them from.


Well, the first example of your stupidity is that very reply:
quote:
how about you do the EvC thing and cite three or four examples of Buzsaw stupidity in the Science Fora
I said you were banned from the science forums for stupidity.
It is stupid of you to think that I need to provide more than the stupidity that you were banned for.

And here is the actual stupidity that you got banned for:

Admin writes:

The history is that this is the second time Buzsaw has been asked to cease his participation in the science forums. After the first time Buzsaw requested readmission, stating that he now understood he needed to provide evidence, so I granted the request. But the result was that Buzsaw merely began using the word "evidence" a lot without actually producing any evidence that supported his positions.

The third piece of stupidity you are guilty of is not knowing why you were banned.

And lastly, the fourth example of your stupidity will be your response to this message.


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